Met Commissioner Sir Hogan-Howe uses the 'murder' word for the first time.

[John]

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Howe-Hogan speaking on Radio 5 mentions murder in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Was this a Freudian slip or a badly worded response to a caller's question live on air?

[Wonderfulspam]

Strange, Hulk Hogan said it could be murder.


Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Howe-Hogan speaking on Radio 5

First broadcast: Thursday 20 February 2014

Transcript

By Nigel Moore

Nicky Campbell: Errm... Adeal in London... no, I tell you what, we'll go to Christine in Cardiff. Brief points please because there's only eight minutes left, so make your questions as... as, errr... well edited as you can. Hi, Christine.

Christine: (phone in) Good morning. Good morning, Sir Bernard.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Good morning, Christine.

Christine: I'd like to ask you, errr... on the progress of Operation Grange.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Right, we have a lots of Op... Operations, so you're going to have...

Nicky Campbell: Operation Grange, just...?

Christine: Operation Grange.

Nicky Campbell: Which is?

Christine: It's the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Ahh, right, thank you for helping...

Christine: That's okay.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: ...but we do have a lot of Operations in London, so I'm sorry if I didn't recognise it immediately.

Nicky Campbell: The Portuguese police really mess... really messed up, didn't they?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Yes. [spoken in acknowledgment of the reference to the 'Portuguese police' and before Nicky Campbell has finished his sentence]

Christine: Yes... no [seemingly spoken in echo of Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe's 'yes' but then realises it could be misconstrued and makes an attempt to change it to 'no'. See her next comment]

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Errm... I'm not going to respond to Nicky's comments.

Christine: (in background) Did they Nicky?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: I'm just going to... Let me just... let me just help. Where we are at the moment: We've sent three letters of request for international assistance to the Portuguese, errr... Judiciary, because that's the way their system works, and also with the police - we are working closely with them. Errm... obviously the Portuguese police have got a line of inquiry which is different to the Metropolitan Police's but we're working together to try and resolve that. Errm... we're trying our best to keep the family informed and I think in the middle of all this, quite often their torment gets lost. Have they lost a child or, errr... by being murdered or... sadly... or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them.

Nicky Campbell: Awful.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Either way, errr... they've got that terrible uncertainty, so we're all trying our best to help resolve that. We...

Nicky Campbell: Do you have suspects?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Errr... yes, we've said very clearly that, you know, we've got lines of inquiry that, errm... are different to the Portuguese police and we're working with them to try and resolve that and I'm only going to... you know, that comment you made at the beginning, about, you know, what they did or didn't do. We've got to work together on this and I don't mean that as a naïve thing; I just think, generally. We've generally got to work together. We can't police Portugal, they can't do everything over here; we must work together. So, we're insist... you know, we really can work in genuine partnership on this. We're making some progress, errm... let's see how it comes over the next few months.

Nicky Campbell: If you'd been involved at the outset, do you think we might have got further with this investigation?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Errr... I think that's a bit unf... that would be unfair. I mean there's been inquiries in, errm... in the UK, where we know that the police could have done better. I think to be too judgmental in these cases is... is wrong and I wasn't there and I'm not going to judge them. The main thing we're all committed to is trying to find that little girl.

Nicky Campbell: And you have lines of inquiry, you have 'suspects' lines of inquiry; you have names.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: That's right.

Nicky Campbell: Errm... and I appreciate how you can't, at this stage, go any further, errr... and have you spoken to those people?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Errm... I'm not going to go any further, really. Because that's what you just said you didn't want!

Nicky Campbell: I'm sure when you were interviewing people in that... in that little room you'd try and sneak one in like that, Sir Bernard. I bet you have in your time.

Adeal's in London...

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

[jassi]

Strange, Hulk Hogan said it could be murder.

And he should know, him being a 'Top cop' and all that.

[Wonderfulspam]

And he should know, him being a 'Top cop' and all that.

Hulk Hogan, 5 live

'Have they lost a child or, errr... by being murdered or... sadly... or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them.'

So clearly they believe she was either murdered or stolen.

[jassi]

Hulk Hogan, 5 live

'Have they lost a child or, errr... by being murdered or... sadly... or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them.'

So clearly they believe she was either murdered or stolen.

I think that's when he realised it was time to stop digging 

[VIXTE]

Strange, Hulk Hogan said it could be murder.

He was talking in general, about the parents of missing children.. not about McCanns..

[Wonderfulspam]

He was talking in general, about the parents of missing children.. not about McCanns..

Doesn't seem that way to me.

'Where we are at the moment: We've sent three letters of request for international assistance to the Portuguese, errr... Judiciary, because that's the way their system works, and also with the police - we are working closely with them. Errm... obviously the Portuguese police have got a line of inquiry which is different to the Metropolitan Police's but we're working together to try and resolve that. Errm... we're trying our best to keep the family informed and I think in the middle of all this, quite often their torment gets lost. Have they lost a child or, errr... by being murdered or... sadly... or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them.'

[icabodcrane]

Doesn't seem that way to me.

'Where we are at the moment: We've sent three letters of request for international assistance to the Portuguese, errr... Judiciary, because that's the way their system works, and also with the police - we are working closely with them. Errm... obviously the Portuguese police have got a line of inquiry which is different to the Metropolitan Police's but we're working together to try and resolve that. Errm... we're trying our best to keep the family informed and I think in the middle of all this, quite often their torment gets lost. Have they lost a child or, errr... by being murdered or... sadly... or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them.'

It was a remarkable statement for him to have made, I agree

He presented an  'either,  or'   position   ...  either Madeleine was murdered   ...  OR  she was abducted 

Most unexpected

[Wonderfulspam]

It was a remarkable statement for him to have made, I agree

He presented an  'either,  or'   postion   ...  either Madeleine was murdered   ...  OR  she was abducted 

Most unexpected

I find this bit a little curious also..

 "Errr... yes, we've said very clearly that, you know, we've got lines of inquiry that, errm... are different to the Portuguese police and we're working with them to try and resolve that and I'm only going to... you know, that comment you made at the beginning, about, you know, what they did or didn't do. We've got to work together on this and I don't mean that as a naïve thing; I just think, generally. We've generally got to work together. We can't police Portugal, they can't do everything over here; we must work together. So, we're insist... you know, we really can work in genuine partnership on this. We're making some progress, errm... let's see how it comes over the next few months."


Just what would the Portuguese police need to be doing over here?

[Redblossom]

It was a remarkable statement for him to have made, I agree

He presented an  'either,  or'   position   ...  either Madeleine was murdered   ...  OR  she was abducted 

Most unexpected

His choice of words were unfortunate as he did seem to suggest she was either murdered OR abducted (by someone else) but not both! Ie by the same person!!


Its very possible he just wasnt thinking whilst he spoke. In fact seeing as the words Operation Grange didnt seem to register with him at  inititally in that radio show Id say he hasnt taken much interest in the case! Im sure he is an extremely busy man in a job no one would want!

[AnneGuedes]

I find this bit a little curious also..

 "Errr... yes, we've said very clearly that, you know, we've got lines of inquiry that, errm... are different to the Portuguese police and we're working with them to try and resolve that and I'm only going to... you know, that comment you made at the beginning, about, you know, what they did or didn't do. We've got to work together on this and I don't mean that as a naïve thing; I just think, generally. We've generally got to work together. We can't police Portugal, they can't do everything over here; we must work together. So, we're insist... you know, we really can work in genuine partnership on this. We're making some progress, errm... let's see how it comes over the next few months."


Just what would the Portuguese police need to be doing over here?

I wondered too. Join the impossible to police Portugal to the supposed "Portuguese" ways in matter of letters of request, and it sounds things don't go swimmingly.

[icabodcrane]

I find this bit a little curious also..

 "Errr... yes, we've said very clearly that, you know, we've got lines of inquiry that, errm... are different to the Portuguese police and we're working with them to try and resolve that and I'm only going to... you know, that comment you made at the beginning, about, you know, what they did or didn't do. We've got to work together on this and I don't mean that as a naïve thing; I just think, generally. We've generally got to work together. We can't police Portugal, they can't do everything over here; we must work together. So, we're insist... you know, we really can work in genuine partnership on this. We're making some progress, errm... let's see how it comes over the next few months."


Just what would the Portuguese police need to be doing over here?

I don't know

Unless  British  'suspects'  have been identified  (  not something that has been intimated by any of the parties involved  )  then I suppose it might refer to questioning the McCanns and their friends

[drummer]

Can nothing be read as it is?

[Lyall]

I don't know

Unless  British  'suspects'  have been identified  (  not something that has been intimated by any of the parties involved  )  then I suppose it might refer to questioning the McCanns and their friends

It has I think been said that of these three 'burglars' one is Portuguese, so the other two may be British? Who knows.

(assuming these phantoms exist that is)

[Silkywhiskers]

His choice of words were unfortunate as he did seem to suggest she was either murdered OR abducted (by someone else) but not both! Ie by the same person!!


Its very possible he just wasnt thinking whilst he spoke. In fact seeing as the words Operation Grange didnt seem to register with him at  inititally in that radio show Id say he hasnt taken much interest in the case! Im sure he is an extremely busy man in a job no one would want!

We could say BHH is a total dolt slipping the M word out....

Of we could follow my theory, which basically runs thusly -

Police at that high level are trained in the use of language.

They weigh every word they utter.  It would have been easy for him to say "no comment" but he didn't.

No, he used the word Murder which I believe is the FIRST TIME this word has cropped up in this investigation.

He also opined that only abduction would be "sad".

Murder apparently is NOT sad.

Why not? 

Do you think he's speaking to someone in particular?  The perps perhaps, who will be hanging off every word uttered?

Or just being stupid impulsive and careless throwing around the suggestion Madeleine was murdered?