Met Commissioner Sir Hogan-Howe uses the 'murder' word for the first time.

[Lyall]

Reading into text something that isn't there:
Robert Browning when questioned what he meant "When I wrote it only Robert Browning and God knew what it meant. Now God knows"
Bob Dylan " You can make it mean what ever you want it to mean I was just looking for a word to rhyme with coat".
I think Sir Bernard was found wanting in his reaction and we shouldn't take too much notice of hidden meanings that probably aren't there.

quotes.

[Lyall]

The Met boss has the IPCC on his back and may not be there much longer. I think he just forgot the line when asked about Madeleine.

[Redblossom]

Thanks for that, Red. 

Nearly two years ago that that article was published. Let's hope things have been narrowed down a bit at least.

That's only going to happen if they  have any evidence one way or another and how much weight they place on it

Why, Estuarine?

Few abductors keep their victims alive for any length of time.

[icabodcrane]

Eddie told us she died in 5a.

Now the media trained BHH has used the word "murder" for the first time ever.

Is he the most senior officer in Britain?  Yes. Is his job largely a figurehead, a political position which requires him to be the Face of SY in public? Yes.

Do police know a lot more about crimes and evidence than we do?   Yes.

If BHH tosses off the word murder it is not a slip of the tongue.  He's been around the block, had hours of media training.

Murder.......! Not manslaughter or homicide, but Murder.

That tells me that they have evidence of intentional killing.

Ugh.....

He's also the subject of a current IPPC enquiry !!!

It  IS  significant  that the top policeman  man  in this case used the word  'murder'  for the first time   ...  and even more significant that he presented  'murder'  as an  alternative  to  'abduction'  as a possible explanation

I don't understand why we are being cautioned not to  'read to much  into what he said'

He  SAID  it !  ...  we didn't imagine it  !  ...    and  it's worth discussing 

[Sherlock Holmes]

It  IS  significant  that the top policeman  man  in this case used the word  'murder'  for the first time   ...  and even more significant that he presented  'murder'  as an  alternative  to  'abduction'  as a possible explanation

I don't understand why we are being cautioned not to  'read to much  into what he said'

He  SAID  it !  ...  we didn't imagine it  !  ...    and  it's worth discussing

There is no such thing as 'murder as an alternative to abduction'. So there cannot have been any meaning to it.

It's on a par with the Bushism  ' I believe that human beings and fish can co-exist peacefully'.

Nothing to discuss.

[Estuarine]

Why, Estuarine?

Few abductors keep their victims alive for any length of time.

The earlier thread drift had been murder by the parents which is what I was referring to. Given that murder has to have the element of premeditation I think it highly improbable (but not impossible) that the parents are guilty of murder.
Of course abductors kill victims but I don't subscribe to the abduction theory in this case.

[Cariad]

My opinion, for what it's worth, on the Hogan Howe interview is that he wasn't prepared for the question. He just stuttered out an answer that wasn't well thought out or rehearsed.

If that means his reply contained a Freudian slip or not, I couldn't guess.

D.N.A evidence:

I've spent ages trying to get my head around this and there's no guarantee that I've succeeded yet  but I believe that because it was a mixed sample, the 15/19 markers are practically meaningless. Yes, Madeleine cannot be ruled out, but neither could you or I.

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I (*clears throat* Redblossem, ) will help to clarify.

[Estuarine]

My opinion, for what it's worth, on the Hogan Howe interview is that he wasn't prepared for the question. He just stuttered out an answer that wasn't well thought out or rehearsed.

If that means his reply contained a Freudian slip or not, I couldn't guess.

D.N.A evidence:

I've spent ages trying to get my head around this and there's no guarantee that I've succeeded yet  but I believe that because it was a mixed sample, the 15/19 markers are practically meaningless. Yes, Madeleine cannot be ruled out, but neither could you or I.

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I (*clears throat* Redblossem, ) will help to clarify.

I share your opinion on this Cariad. I think if anyone believes the abduction theory then "murder" has been tacit in this for years.

[Estuarine]

It may or may not be significant but his statement was proven totally wrong when it came to Plebgate, after wasting a fortune on a meaningless enquiry one man and his dog cared about!

My take on his interview would be that he's not really got his eye on the ball with this one, as evidenced by his failure to recognise the operation name. Let's face it, this is a guy that will spend a large part of his time in meetings discussing covert operations but could very well be spread a little thin because of the various different departments involved that he's required have a degree of knowledge of?

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Redwoods chief super is most likely in a better position to answer the questions than Sir Bernard but unfortunately we got BHH!

And as result hares are running off in all directions 

[AnneGuedes]

Yes, possible that he meant that she was murdered  in the apartment and was removed and disposed of by the murderer - not abduction technically speaking.

It in fact happens. Some predators abuse, strangle and take the body because of the DNA evidence. But they always leave marks of their presence, sometimes insufficient to identify them, but marks all the same.

[John]

I have moved the BHH posts to its own thread.

[Sherlock Holmes]

It in fact happens. Some predators abuse, strangle and take the body because of the DNA evidence. But they always leave marks of their presence, sometimes insufficient to identify them, but marks all the same.

Perhaps marks were left but destroyed in the ensuing forray.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Eddie told us she died in 5a.

Now the media trained BHH has used the word "murder" for the first time ever.

Is he the most senior officer in Britain?  Yes. Is his job largely a figurehead, a political position which requires him to be the Face of SY in public? Yes.

Do police know a lot more about crimes and evidence than we do?   Yes.

If BHH tosses off the word murder it is not a slip of the tongue.  He's been around the block, had hours of media training.

Murder.......! Not manslaughter or homicide, but Murder.

That tells me that they have evidence of intentional killing.

Ugh.....

He's also the subject of a current IPPC enquiry !!!

The same 'media trained' BHH and most senior police officer in Britain wasn't quick to recognise the term 'Operation Grange', and blustered and fumbled through the rest of the interview.

[jassi]

The same 'media trained' BHH and most senior police officer in Britain wasn't quick to recognise the term 'Operation Grange', and blustered and fumbled through the rest of the interview.

What was the underlying purpose of the interview anyway? Was it just a PR opportunity that didn't go according to plan?

[Sherlock Holmes]

It seems that this was a snipped from a longer interview about other matters, during which he was caught off guard by a question fielded about the McCann case.