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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2014, 06:15:59 PM »
How do you know ? Why is Isabel Duarte gathering proofs that GA and the other accused ones made that amount of money, an amount that should be invested in the "search" ?

It is normal in many court cases for applicants to be required to submit statements of net worth, etc., especially so in a case like this.

But that does not mean we are talking about big money.

I believe the McCanns were ill-advised in bringing this action - perhaps for all we know they went against the advice of their attorneys; it happens - the financial aspect (or lack thereof) being one good reason.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2014, 06:26:31 PM »
What for ? To escape the feeling of guilt ?


Yes, and to avoid working through the different stages of grief, including acceptance of the situation.

They are not ready to accept the situation, and are pushing the act of acceptance off.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2014, 06:26:56 PM »
It is normal in many court cases for applicants to be required to submit statements of net worth, etc., especially so in a case like this.

But that does not mean we are talking about big money.

I believe the McCanns were ill-advised in bringing this action - perhaps for all we know they went against the advice of their attorneys; it happens - the financial aspect (or lack thereof) being one good reason.

I don't think the McCann had any choice...if they had not sued then some would have said the accusations must be true...they have sued primarily to clear their name imo

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #78 on: February 25, 2014, 06:27:49 PM »
Are you of the opinion that the McCann's are  in it for the money SH ?

The opposite, Opposing Pat.

They can't be in it for the money here because I don't think there's much to be made out of this libel trial.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #79 on: February 25, 2014, 06:28:40 PM »
I don't think the McCann had any choice...if they had not sued then some would have said the accusations must be true...they have sued primarily to clear their name imo

Certainly a factor.

Redblossom

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Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #80 on: February 25, 2014, 06:40:49 PM »
The opposite, Opposing Pat.

They can't be in it for the money here because I don't think there's much to be made out of this libel trial.

Then why is the claim for 1.2million euros?

AnneGuedes

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Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #81 on: February 25, 2014, 06:43:54 PM »
The opposite, Opposing Pat.

They can't be in it for the money here because I don't think there's much to be made out of this libel trial.
The perspective was different in June 2009, when they launched the current action. They expected to have the book banned and they obtained it. They were told the book and the DVD had made a lot of money, and why not try to get it, for the search of Madeleine of course ?

Offline jassi

Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #82 on: February 25, 2014, 06:45:46 PM »
Then why is the claim for 1.2million euros?

Maybe they thought that if they pitched it so high, Amaral would cave in and try to settle out of court. If so, they got that badly wrong.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Redblossom

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Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #83 on: February 25, 2014, 06:52:13 PM »
Maybe they thought that if they pitched it so high, Amaral would cave in and try to settle out of court. If so, they got that badly wrong.

So very very wrong!

Not to mention the writ went from the sublime to the ridiculous....ah never mind, they tried it on, they failed
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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #84 on: February 25, 2014, 06:53:10 PM »
Then why is the claim for 1.2million euros?

You can make all the claims you want.

Redblossom

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Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #85 on: February 25, 2014, 06:55:34 PM »
You can make all the claims you want.

but they werent in it for the money you said, so why not ask for 1000 say or 100,000 instead of 1000,000


?

Or was there another motive? IE take every penny out of spite

AnneGuedes

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Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #86 on: February 25, 2014, 06:57:13 PM »
You can make all the claims you want.
It's not as simple as that. Their claim made their lawyer request freezing of GA's properties and, the worst if you think he has a young daughter, half of his pension.

Estuarine

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Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #87 on: February 25, 2014, 06:58:43 PM »
Maybe they thought that if they pitched it so high, Amaral would cave in and try to settle out of court. If so, they got that badly wrong.

I think the total writ face value was 1.2MM Euros split 3 ways Dr Amaral, G & P + TVI; with an option to increase it [bizarre]. Some cynic (no not me honest) suggested that "they" reckoned Amaral had made about 360 grand out of it and "they" wanted it! 3 x 360 is approx 1.2mm if you round it up. Bearing in mind that Sra Duarte is losing 2:1 on aggregate it will be interesting to see whether she can finish up with a draw!

Redblossom

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Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #88 on: February 25, 2014, 07:02:05 PM »
It's not as simple as that. Their claim made their lawyer request freezing of GA's properties and, the worst if you think he has a young daughter, half of his pension.

Thats positively spiteful, well after all, Kate does want hm to be miserable....bet it all backfires on them

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?
« Reply #89 on: February 25, 2014, 07:50:48 PM »
Maybe they thought that if they pitched it so high, Amaral would cave in and try to settle out of court. If so, they got that badly wrong.

I agree that this could be a possibility...however it may well be that amaral SHOULD have settled out of court...but his pride would not let him...we will see