The essential lie to the Press which preceded the villa search.

[Benice]

Nobody said Mr McCann was obliged to tell the truth to the media. He did lie, that's all. He did exactly what he had rightly criticized the media for : twisting facts and spreading lies.

It's not a lie to decide not to reveal information which you consider should not be revealed until a more appropriate  time.

Where is the lie in that?  Saying nothing is not lying!

To try to equate that with the vicious lies and smears which appeared in the Portuguese press and the media is outrageous imo.

[AnneGuedes]

Saying nothing is not lying!

To try to equate that with the vicious lies and smears which appeared in the Portuguese press and the media is outrageous imo.

Outrageous ? What about lying by omission ? That's what he did, faking he was in Lisbon because of the search of his daughter.
And when Mr McCann complained about the media, he was denouncing the UK press, not the Portuguese one. Remember those tabloids which paid a fortune to the Private company LTD !

[Benice]

Outrageous ? What about lying by omission ? That's what he did, faking he was in Lisbon because of the search of his daughter.
And when Mr McCann complained about the media, he was denouncing the UK press, not the Portuguese one. Remember those tabloids which paid a fortune to the Private company LTD !

The McCanns suffered terribly at the hands of a cruel heartless press both in this country and in Portugal, all in the name of profit.    Most of what was printed in the UK Press was taken from the Portuguese Press.   To claim that the fact he did not tell the press all of the reasons why he was in Portugal is exactlythe same -  is preposterous       Who suffered because of what he didn't say Anne?



 

[sadie]

WRONG.

The first trial admitted she had been beaten but couldn't make up where and by whom, and after she couldn't identify the 3 PJs Aragão Correia had written to her in a piece of paper, in a line up, all three were considered innocent.
The second trial, February 2013, concluded she lied about the alleged torture she had suffered in the PJ headquarters, and for that severe lying she was sentenced to seven months in prison, to be fulfilled after her 16 years in prison for murder.

Yep. real Justice at that second hearing, wasn't there?  Why did the PT courts feel it necessary to hide what went on in that Court by holding the case against Leonor behind closed doors?

Normally reserved for cases of great importance against the State, why was the Leonor case held behind closed doors?  Leonor, a simple peasant type woman - hardly a threat to the State, was she?

Just what went on behind those closed doors? >@@(*&) .. Hmmm?

[Benice]

Yep. real Justice at that second hearing, wasn't there?  Why did the PT courts feel it necessary to hide what went on in that Court by holding the case against Leonor behind closed doors?

Normally reserved for cases of great importance against the State, why was the Leonor case held behind closed doors?  Leonor, a simple peasant type woman - hardly a threat to the State, was she?

Just what went on behind those closed doors? >@@(*&) .. Hmmm?

IIRC Sadie, it was not even the men who LC named as her torturers who applied to have her brought back to court.  So who decided to do  that?    As you say why hold that court hearing in secret?   




 

[AnneGuedes]

The McCanns suffered terribly at the hands of a cruel heartless press both in this country and in Portugal, all in the name of profit.    Most of what was printed in the UK Press was taken from the Portuguese Press.   To claim that the fact he did not tell the press all of the reasons why he was in Portugal is exactlythe same -  is preposterous       Who suffered because of what he didn't say Anne?

He better had said nothing that something which wasn't true, because he lost a precious card, credibility.
Since when do people have to answer the media ?

[sadie]

IIRC Sadie, it was not even the men who LC named as her torturers who applied to have her brought back to court.  So who decided to do  that?    As you say why hold that court hearing in secret?   

it's a total scandal Benice, bullying a poor peasant type woman.  Could it be that she is due for release soon? 

Are they trying to keep her longer in jail so that she cant tell the world what happened?

To shut her up?



Or could it be something else, to do with a certain man whose reputation they were trying to enhance ?



Perhaps I am completely wrong

BUT WHY FGS, did thay hold that case behind closed doors?  What were they hiding?



Closed door cases are normally for cases of National /State importance.  Leonor is just a simple peasant type woman ... and I dont see anything of State importance in this case.

DO YOU ?



In fact, why did they even charge her?


 

[Benita]

Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends.

[jassi]

Are you putting  this on every thread, no matter how irrelevant it might be to the discussion ?

[faithlilly]

How about this:
And this:

From Kate Mccann's book describing August 8th 2007

From Gerry McCann's Blog describing August 8th 2007:

And this:

From the Levenson Enquiry describing September 7th:

From the book describing the same day:

And this:

And

Over a week before the McCanns had already started using detectives from Control Risks, as Kate tells us on pages 124-126 of Madeleine.

And this from the Times to add to the above:

So whilst under secrecy laws he has lied in order to hide his law breaking!

Then to compound the lies and law breaking Kate helpfully gives us a different reason for the Gerry's lying in her book:

Which does not match what Gerry said through Mitchell as to why he lied about PI's in the Times article above:

Is that enough for now? (and doesn't even include the lies about the so called "deal" police offered her).

A bump for a very important post.

[Albertini]

It's not a lie to decide not to reveal information which you consider should not be revealed until a more appropriate  time.

Where is the lie in that?  Saying nothing is not lying!

To try to equate that with the vicious lies and smears which appeared in the Portuguese press and the media is outrageous imo.

So Gerry saying:

Press report: 'In an interview, Gerry McCann stated that, for the moment at least, he had no intention of taking legal action against the Portuguese State or any other body, including the media, stressing he wanted to "move forward and not back."'

Whilst the book revealing:

Gerry McCann went to Portugal to meet ID and discuss the legal strategy against Amaral

Is not a lie, is pushing the boundaries of credibility and honesty.

What i find odd is that there is not one single point in this whole case where you will criticize the McCanns'.

Your love for them is such that you validate every action and decision they have made, including the lying.

I find that "all or nothing" attitude peculiar.

You can still support them and your belief in their innocence whilst criticizing certain actions.

[Redblossom]

Maybe they said nothing or lied cos they wanted it to be a shock....and no come back,,,,,after all Amaral wasnt even informed of the case which was held behind closed doors.....sneaky or what!

[Benice]

So Gerry saying:

Press report: 'In an interview, Gerry McCann stated that, for the moment at least, he had no intention of taking legal action against the Portuguese State or any other body, including the media, stressing he wanted to "move forward and not back."'

Whilst the book revealing:

Gerry McCann went to Portugal to meet ID and discuss the legal strategy against AmaralIs not a lie, is pushing the boundaries of credibility and honesty.

What i find odd is that there is not one single point in this whole case where you will criticize the McCanns'.

Your love for them is such that you validate every action and decision they have made, including the lying.

I find that "all or nothing" attitude peculiar.

You can still support them and your belief in their innocence whilst criticizing certain actions.

Discussing strategy seems to imply no definite decisions had been made. and even if it had that was no-one's business but the McCanns until they chose to make it public.

Your assumption that I 'love' the McCanns is wrong.   I do not know them, have never met them or spoken to them and so have no way of knowing whether I would even like them if I did meet them.

I do not agree with their decision to leave their children, in fact I would go further as I don't agree with subjecting  children so young to arduous plane journeys abroad - when they don't know the difference between Blackpool and Bermuda.  However, I do understand how they came to the decision which they did regarding childminding.      And I do not expect anyone to be perfect parents or perfect human beings.

What I am passionate about is justice and fairness, and I hate lynchmob mentality and spite filled witchhunts against anyone - especially the devastated parents of a missing child.

[AnneGuedes]

I wonder sometimes how you would react if you knew for sure they are the devastated parents of a dead child and they know it.

[Benice]

I wonder sometimes how you would react if you knew for sure they are the devastated parents of a dead child and they know it.

The McCanns are well aware that their daughter could be dead.     But just as in the case of Ben Needham's mother, they are going to continue to live in hope that she is alive until it is proved otherwise to them.   How anyone can criticise that is beyond me.