Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?

[Eleanor]

Excuses. She said it was Murat because of the way he walked across the road. Later at the time of the rog (April 2008) she is changing her opinion about it but that night she told the Portuguese police Murat was the one.

And still The PJ didn't take statement from her.

[pathfinder73]

That has as much validity as Mr Smith commenting on the way Dr McCann carried his child. 

She never claimed the man she saw was Murat.

And Murat doesn't look like this.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/screenshots/drawingJaneTanner.jpg

But Smithman efit looks like..............

[ferryman]

That has as much validity as Mr Smith commenting on the way Dr McCann carried his child. 

She never claimed the man she saw was Murat.

I fear you are beating your head against a brick wall pointing out that truth, Brietta ...

[Angelo222]

That has as much validity as Mr Smith commenting on the way Dr McCann carried his child. 

She never claimed the man she saw was Murat.

Not according to Gonc plus she never came out and said it wasn't him either did she?  In her rogatory statement which she waffled through when it came to the undercover observation of Murat crossing the same road junction she admits he walked like the carrier.  Given that Robert Murat always wears glasses I don't see how she could have had any doubts or was she being influenced from behind doors by those three from the tapas who had claimed to have seen him lurking around block 5 on the morning after Maddie's disappearance?

[Alfred R Jones]

Not according to Gonc plus she never came out and said it wasn't him either did she?  In her rogatory statement which she waffled through when it came to the undercover observation of Murat crossing the same road junction she admits he walked like the carrier.

She never ID'ed him.  If she had she would have been asked to give a statement confirming this.  Anyone pretending that she gave a statement and it's hidden in some secret file somewhere is living in La La Land. 

[Angelo222]

She never ID'ed him.  If she had she would have been asked to give a statement confirming this.  Anyone pretending that she gave a statement and it's hidden in some secret file somewhere is living in La La Land.

Goncalo states the contrary in his book so explain that one Alf?   Also explain why Murat was made an arguido that same night after the undercover operation if Tanner had stated categorically that it wasn't him?   Could it be that she wasn't sure so didn't want to commit herself either way?

[Eleanor]

Goncalo states the contrary in his book so explain that one Alf?

So where is the statement and why was Robert Murat cleared if he was seen walking away from 5A carrying a child?

Oh, and why was Jane Tanner questioned about this again during her Rogatory Interview?

[DCI]

Not according to Gonc plus she never came out and said it wasn't him either did she?  In her rogatory statement which she waffled through when it came to the undercover observation of Murat crossing the same road junction she admits he walked like the carrier.  Given that Robert Murat always wears glasses I don't see how she could have had any doubts or was she being influenced from behind doors by those three from the tapas who had claimed to have seen him lurking around block 5 on the morning after Maddie's disappearance?

Murat didn't wear glasses when Martin Smith saw him either. Perhaps he also wore contact lenses. Sylvia Baptista said he was there on the 3rd May, then changed her mind.

The PJ seem to have a thing about the way men walk.
Why do you keep using Amarals book as though it's relevant to witness statements?

[Angelo222]

So where is the statement and why was Robert Murat cleared if he was seen walking away from 5A carrying a child?

Oh, and why was Jane Tanner questioned about this again during her Rogatory Interview?

Good question Eleanor.  Maybe she refused to make a statement implicating Murat if she wasn't sure.  Murat's home and business premises and all his vehices were the subject of exhaustive searches.  His was tailed, his phone tapped and his associates all checked out.  For that to happen somebody somewhere must have fingered him.  Jane was questioned again about it when back home in England because there was doubt about what she had admitted to when with the PJ.

[Eleanor]

Good question Eleanor.  Maybe she refused to make a statement implicating Murat if she wasn't sure.  Murat's home and business premises and all his vehices were the subject of exhaustive searches.  His was tailed, his phone tapped and his associates all checked out.  For that to happen somebody somewhere must have fingered him.

May be she wasn't asked because she wasn't sure. And other people fingered him long before Jane Tanner might or might not have done.
And not just The Tapas Group.  There were at least two others.

Personally, I think they were all running around like headless chickens in a state of panic, lashing out at all and sundry.  And that's just The PJ.

[Angelo222]

Murat didn't wear glasses when Martin Smith saw him either. Perhaps he also wore contact lenses. Sylvia Baptista said he was there on the 3rd May, then changed her mind.

The PJ seem to have a thing about the way men walk.
Why do you keep using Amarals book as though it's relevant to witness statements?

He was the investigation coordinator and as such had access through his officers to everything that went on.  I find it very hard to believe that he would publish a claim when other PJ officers could so easily dispute it if he was wrong.

The bottom line is that Tanner for whatever reason did not rule Murat out when she had the chance.

[Eleanor]

He was the investigation coordinator and as such had access through his officers to everything that went on.  I find it very hard to believe that he would publish a claim when other PJ officers could so easily dispute it if he was wrong.

The bottom line is that Tanner for whatever reason did not rule Murat out when she had the chance.

Ruling him out is an entirely different thing to identifying him.  How many people have been convicted on the possibility that it might have been?

[Alfred R Jones]

Goncalo states the contrary in his book so explain that one Alf?   Also explain why Murat was made an arguido that same night after the undercover operation if Tanner had stated categorically that it wasn't him?   Could it be that she wasn't sure so didn't want to commit herself either way?

If she wasn't sure and didn't commit either way then why did Amaral claim in her book that she ID'ed him?  Personally I would take most of Gonc's book with a large pinch of salt.

[DCI]

He was the investigation coordinator and as such had access through his officers to everything that went on.  I find it very hard to believe that he would publish a claim when other PJ officers could so easily dispute it if he was wrong.

The bottom line is that Tanner for whatever reason did not rule Murat out when she had the chance.

Yes, breaking the secrecy laws. He was not entitled to use any information from the process. He had been sacked months before he wrote his book.
Why would he bessy mate Paiva dispute his version. He was the one supposed to have been responsible for collecting any info coming in. Most went in his "Irrelevant box".

 

[Brietta]

Not according to Gonc plus she never came out and said it wasn't him either did she?  In her rogatory statement which she waffled through when it came to the undercover observation of Murat crossing the same road junction she admits he walked like the carrier.  Given that Robert Murat always wears glasses I don't see how she could have had any doubts or was she being influenced from behind doors by those three from the tapas who had claimed to have seen him lurking around block 5 on the morning after Maddie's disappearance?

Goncalo Amaral said very firmly in his book that Jane Tanner had identified Robert Murat ... had that been the case ... whys did he run past it and do nothing?

Jane Tanner is very clear in her rogatory statement that she took no part in discussion with others regarding the botched 'ID parade' or Robert Murat ... because she was petrified about the consequences of breaking Portuguese secrecy law.