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Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #75 on: August 15, 2015, 05:00:55 PM »
Cite?

Re the coconut: p. 49 pdf (p. 45 doc).

And earlier: pp. 12-13 pdf (pp. 8-9 doc). This includes an appreciation of the effect of said coconut.

"As it was described to us, '... we followed the dog [one of Grime's search dogs]; where the dog barked was dug up'"

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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #76 on: August 15, 2015, 05:18:21 PM »
Re the coconut: p. 49 pdf (p. 45 doc).

And earlier: pp. 12-13 pdf (pp. 8-9 doc). This includes an appreciation of the effect of said coconut.

"As it was described to us, '... we followed the dog [one of Grime's search dogs]; where the dog barked was dug up'"

Thanks. Maybe poor forensic recovery rather than false alert.
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Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #77 on: August 15, 2015, 05:24:00 PM »
Thanks. Maybe poor forensic recovery rather than false alert.
Maybe but then again maybe not.

Offline mercury

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2015, 01:11:55 AM »
eddie didn't react to fruit and veg Alf!

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2015, 12:09:06 PM »
eddie didn't react to fruit and veg Alf!

Whatever he reacted to doesn't appear to have been a fragment of a child's skull though.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #80 on: August 16, 2015, 12:18:31 PM »
We saw Eddie in Jersey..we saw Eddie in PDL...

Does anyone know when the last time was Eddie found anything that was used in court

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #81 on: August 16, 2015, 12:30:10 PM »
We saw Eddie in Jersey..we saw Eddie in PDL...

Does anyone know when the last time was Eddie found anything that was used in court

Eddie was used in the Theresa Parker missing person case for the FBI straight after the McCann searches. He alerted in their garage and the body was found years later.

14 September 2007
 Chattanooga Times/Free Press
Chloe Morrison

The investigation into the disappearance of Walker County 911 dispatcher Theresa Parker is a "high-priority" case, FBI agents said Thursday, and authorities unveiled tools to be used in the search.

Martin Grime, a 30-year veteran of military and civil police work in the United Kingdom and developer of a K-9 forensic program, has been asked to help in the investigation, along with his dog, Eddie. They are assisting the FBI, Georgia Bureau of Investigation and Walker County Sheriff's Department in narrowing leads.

"Hopefully we will find Theresa Parker," Mr. Grime said. "Hopefully we will find evidence. Hopefully all the information we claim will give us a line of inquiry and it just saves conducting 50 lines of inquiry."
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Anna

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #82 on: August 16, 2015, 12:44:24 PM »
Scent Evidence - Human Scent as Trace Evidence -
Scent Evidence, Human Scent, Trace Evidence, Scent Collection, Scent Transfer Unit, collection of articles and
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Dog Debate At Center Of Murder Case
Can a dog's nose be trusted enough to send a man to prison for the rest of his life?
That's a key question a jury may have to consider if Walker County Superior Court Judge Jon Wood allows certain testimony to be heard during the murder trial of Sam Parker next month. Judge Wood is holding a pre-trial motions hearing this week to decide what the jury will and won't hear.
Parker, a former sergeant with the LaFayette Police Department, is being held without bond accused of murdering his wife Teresa. She seemingly vanished more than two years ago leaving behind a family and career with Walker County 911. There is no evidence she has died, a body was never found and investigators have not found a murder weapon.
During a second day of testimony about so-called cadaver dogs, two specialists in that field explained how their dogs "hit" on a scent in Walker County that they say could be from a decomposing human body.
Lisa Higgins with the Louisiana Search & Rescue Dog Team said she was asked and paid to bring her Australian Shepherd "Maggie" to LaFayette to investigate a car being kept at the Walker County Sheriff's Department impound lot.
"Almost immediately I gave the command and she hit really hard, worked very, very hard inside the wheel well on the front driver's side and gave a full indication right there," Higgins said.
Higgins added Maggie also got excited about something when she sniffed around the back door on the passenger side of the car. But there is no evidence about what it was that excited Maggie and investigators so far have said they have not found any evidence to corroborate the dog's "hit."
Higgins said Maggie has been trained to sniff out the scent of a decomposing human body. But Maggie and other similar dogs can also "hit" on a decomposing pig, which testimony shows has the same odor and chemical make-up as a human cadaver.
Defense attorney Doug Woodruff asked Higgins about the accuracy of Maggie's nose and if there is any scientific proof that shows these type of dogs only get aroused by cadavers.
"Scientifically, no," Higgins replied.

Upon further cross examination Higgins said Maggie has only shown accuracy on occasions when other physical evidence points to where a body has been dumped.
We also saw video played in the courtroom to demonstrate how another dog, Eddie, found a sample pair of pants hidden in the Walker County Jail that was perfumed with a cadaver scent. Eddie is an English Springer Spaniel belonging to Martin Grime, a world-renown forensic K-9 expert based in the United Kingdom.
Grime testified he was paid $450 a day, plus travel and living expenses, by the FBI to search some areas in Walker County in connection with Teresa Parker's disappearance.
During a visit to Parker's home back in September 2007 Grime said he and Eddie sniffed around their garage.
"He immediately gave a positive bark response within the garage between a truck parked to the left of the entrance and a boat parked to the right," Grime said.
Grime added Eddie did not seem interested in the vehicles but in a scent that was wafting in the air, based on the way the dog held his nose upward. Grime said Eddie then "hit" on an abandoned house next door. Testimony shows that house was never repaired after a fire gutted the inside and killed a child several years ago.
During lengthy cross-examination Grime said there is no evidence to show Eddie smelled anything incriminating against or linked to Mr. Parker. Like Higgins, Grime said cadaver dogs can only prove useful when there is other evidence that corroborates the dog's "hits."
The FBI has a keen interest in the outcome of this case. If Parker is convicted the case could pave the legal way for future prosecutions where there is no evidence other than dog "hits" in connection with a person accused of murder.
Toward the end of the day Judge Wood learned that while Grime has international acclaim he has never testified as an expert witness in the United States.
Testimony ended Tuesday with a couple Georgia Bureau of Investigation agents saying Mr. Parker has always been cooperative with the investigation and allowed them to do whatever they wanted on his property.
A third day of testimony begins at 9:00 a.m. Wednesday.

http://www.scentevidence.com/2009/07/dog-debate-at-center-of-murder-case.html
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #83 on: August 16, 2015, 12:45:56 PM »
Eddie was used in the Theresa Parker missing person case for the FBI straight after the McCann searches. He alerted in their garage and the body was found years later.

14 September 2007
 Chattanooga Times/Free Press
Chloe Morrison

The investigation into the disappearance of Walker County 911 dispatcher Theresa Parker is a "high-priority" case, FBI agents said Thursday, and authorities unveiled tools to be used in the search.

Martin Grime, a 30-year veteran of military and civil police work in the United Kingdom and developer of a K-9 forensic program, has been asked to help in the investigation, along with his dog, Eddie. They are assisting the FBI, Georgia Bureau of Investigation and Walker County Sheriff's Department in narrowing leads.

"Hopefully we will find Theresa Parker," Mr. Grime said. "Hopefully we will find evidence. Hopefully all the information we claim will give us a line of inquiry and it just saves conducting 50 lines of inquiry."

is that it...it would be interesting to see all his deployments so we could form a proper opinion

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #84 on: August 16, 2015, 12:56:15 PM »
Thanks. Maybe poor forensic recovery rather than false alert.

Possibly, but he somehow may have also become assigned as the deputy forensic science manager (to confirm as this isn't clear). If so, I'm not quite sure how that happened as he wasn't qualified for that function...

p. 39 doc, p. 44 pdf - p.40 doc - p. 45 pdf.

http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20OperationRectangleReviewUseResources%20201005%20BDO.pdf
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #85 on: August 16, 2015, 01:27:47 PM »
eddie didn't react to fruit and veg Alf!
What did he react to then?  Tell me exactly what it was.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #86 on: August 16, 2015, 01:32:07 PM »
Possibly, but he somehow also became assigned as the deputy forensic science manager. I'm not quite sure how that happened as he wasn't qualified for that function...

According to the official inquiry it was at the behest of the SIO who according to the inquiries findings was lacking in "current training".
snip>>>>>
2.6 Telling factors were also DCO HARPER’s lack of current training and experience as an SIO and his near imperviousness to self-doubt. These deficiencies and traits, combined with the emotive nature of child abuse itself linked to the suspicion of collusion and cover-up by echelons of the State, provided the platform for DCO HARPER to pursue his own agenda irrespective of the true merit of the evidence available to him. We highlight that these salient factors were compounded by CO POWER’s apparent reluctance to impose robust supervision, his sense of loyalty to and sometimes admiration for, his Deputy, and CO POWER’s own distrust of the political establishment.
<<<<< snip.

then: snip>>>>>
3.10.12 The forensic review carried out by X of the NPIA questioned the presence of Martin GRIME on site for such a long time. X , was informed that Martin GRIME had been acting as a Deputy Crime Scene Manager to Forensic Service Manager X , at the request of DCO HARPER. The forensic review noted Martin GRIME’s lack of formal training or qualifications to perform the role of Deputy Forensic Service Manager and that to utilise him in this role ‘cannot be recognised as good practice’. The review also noted that ‘there was concern from some persons interviewed that too much reliance had been placed on the dogs’. It is accepted that dogs are ‘presumptive screening assets’ only and that any alerts or indications they give must be forensically corroborated. In addition, it is a fact that there were no concise terms of reference for the deployment of Martin GRIME and his EVRD or his subsequent use as a search advisor, apparently with the support of DCO HARPER.

The question is:
Did Harper, and by default Power, use Grime's information improperly to push their own agenda or did The States of Jersey Police allow a gash hand subcontractor to run the whole show?
The answer is in the inquiry by Wiltshire Police but I guess some will not like the answer.
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Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #87 on: August 16, 2015, 01:56:40 PM »
According to the official inquiry it was at the behest of the SIO who according to the inquiries findings was lacking in "current training".
snip>>>>>
2.6 Telling factors were also DCO HARPER’s lack of current training and experience as an SIO and his near imperviousness to self-doubt. These deficiencies and traits, combined with the emotive nature of child abuse itself linked to the suspicion of collusion and cover-up by echelons of the State, provided the platform for DCO HARPER to pursue his own agenda irrespective of the true merit of the evidence available to him. We highlight that these salient factors were compounded by CO POWER’s apparent reluctance to impose robust supervision, his sense of loyalty to and sometimes admiration for, his Deputy, and CO POWER’s own distrust of the political establishment.
<<<<< snip.

then: snip>>>>>
3.10.12 The forensic review carried out by X of the NPIA questioned the presence of Martin GRIME on site for such a long time. X , was informed that Martin GRIME had been acting as a Deputy Crime Scene Manager to Forensic Service Manager X , at the request of DCO HARPER. The forensic review noted Martin GRIME’s lack of formal training or qualifications to perform the role of Deputy Forensic Service Manager and that to utilise him in this role ‘cannot be recognised as good practice’. The review also noted that ‘there was concern from some persons interviewed that too much reliance had been placed on the dogs’. It is accepted that dogs are ‘presumptive screening assets’ only and that any alerts or indications they give must be forensically corroborated. In addition, it is a fact that there were no concise terms of reference for the deployment of Martin GRIME and his EVRD or his subsequent use as a search advisor, apparently with the support of DCO HARPER.

The question is:
Did Harper, and by default Power, use Grime's information improperly to push their own agenda or did The States of Jersey Police allow a gash hand subcontractor to run the whole show?
The answer is in the inquiry by Wiltshire Police but I guess some will not like the answer.

Thanks, Alice. I was going cross-eyed trying to check the various documents.

I'm not sure about the answer to your question. Half a dozen of one and 50% of the other, I expect.

From the BDO financial document, his services in terms of dog handling certainly didn't account for all his time there.

From Grime's point of view, if I had been asked to stay on and help out with other interesting tasks in return for a nice room in a 4 star hotel and a susbtantial amount of assured income having just become self-employed, I probably wouldn't have refused, either.

On the other hand.... in the circumstances, particularly in view of his primary function as dog handler, becoming deputy forensic science manager wasn't the most objective function that he could have been assigned to.

I do think that there are a number of issues concerning Grime that are less than limpid, but I don't find him to be the only one. It's fairly understandable that someone starting out as a freelancer will want publicity, but he does seem to have had a knack of getting himself involved in high-profile headless chicken investigations.
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Offline mercury

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #88 on: August 16, 2015, 08:23:35 PM »
Quote from: mercury on Today at 01:11:55 AM
eddie didn't react to fruit and veg Alf!
What did he react to then?  Tell me exactly what it was.


I was typing "Eddie doesn't react to fruit and vegetables" but changed it to "didn't" seeing as he is now dead. It was a general comment abut his training/alerts not this case in particular, but it still applies.

No, I have no idea what the reason was. I am not even sure why a cadaver dog was used if no one claimed any unnatural deaths/murders took place there.But they must have done I suppose.


Offline Brietta

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #89 on: August 17, 2015, 12:25:23 AM »
Eddie was used in the Theresa Parker missing person case for the FBI straight after the McCann searches. He alerted in their garage and the body was found years later.

14 September 2007
 Chattanooga Times/Free Press
Chloe Morrison

The investigation into the disappearance of Walker County 911 dispatcher Theresa Parker is a "high-priority" case, FBI agents said Thursday, and authorities unveiled tools to be used in the search.

Martin Grime, a 30-year veteran of military and civil police work in the United Kingdom and developer of a K-9 forensic program, has been asked to help in the investigation, along with his dog, Eddie. They are assisting the FBI, Georgia Bureau of Investigation and Walker County Sheriff's Department in narrowing leads.

"Hopefully we will find Theresa Parker," Mr. Grime said. "Hopefully we will find evidence. Hopefully all the information we claim will give us a line of inquiry and it just saves conducting 50 lines of inquiry."

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6271.msg238267;topicseen#msg238267

We've already done this one pathfinder ... Eddie's alert didn't advance the case against Mr Parker one iota.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....