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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #90 on: August 17, 2015, 01:03:00 AM »
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6271.msg238267;topicseen#msg238267

We've already done this one pathfinder ... Eddie's alert didn't advance the case against Mr Parker one iota.

So what? She was killed by her husband and transported in a vehicle kept in the garage. Her body was in their garage where Eddie immediately alerted.

During a visit to Parker's home back in September 2007 Grime said he and Eddie sniffed around their garage.

"He immediately gave a positive bark response within the garage between a truck parked to the left of the entrance and a boat parked to the right," Grime said.

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He said that, after Theresa Parker's friend reported to police that she was worried about Theresa in March 2007, two Walker County sheriff's deputies found an empty house and looked inside the Parkers' garage when they weren't allowed.

On the left side of the garage, they found Sam's LaFayette Police Department vehicle. On the right side, where Theresa's Toyota 4Runner should have sat, they found nothing. They also found Sam Parker's truck outside the garage, and days later they found the 4Runner back in its place -- though no one ever saw Theresa again.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2015, 01:07:44 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline mercury

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #91 on: August 18, 2015, 11:49:25 PM »
Brietta is of the school that even if some one is guilty it doesn't  matter as the dogs cant advance a case on their own, which I suppose is fair per se, you need more evidence than circumstantial


maybe Im confusing them with Davel though, not sure
« Last Edit: August 18, 2015, 11:51:45 PM by mercury »

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #92 on: August 19, 2015, 07:55:28 AM »
Quote from: mercury on Today at 01:11:55 AM
eddie didn't react to fruit and veg Alf!
What did he react to then?  Tell me exactly what it was.


I was typing "Eddie doesn't react to fruit and vegetables" but changed it to "didn't" seeing as he is now dead. It was a general comment abut his training/alerts not this case in particular, but it still applies.

No, I have no idea what the reason was. I am not even sure why a cadaver dog was used if no one claimed any unnatural deaths/murders took place there.But they must have done I suppose.


A few unreliable mutterings, but there was no record of any kid having disappeared.

Builders had found a few bones, but they were animal.

Then came Eddie and the Coconut...

The main witness behind Harper's decision to begin the search for bodies was a woman with a known history of psychotic fantasy and alcoholism. She named children she said she had seen jumping to their deaths from Haut de la Garenne windows and hanging from trees in the garden, where she said she also found a severed hand. None of these claims were true.

(...)

At first, Rectangle was a low-key affair and attracted only local publicity. By February 2008, Harper's team had received some claims about possible murders at Haut de la Garenne, a children's home for 86 years until it closed in 1986. But they were far from reliable.

Besides the statements by the psychotic woman, the police had been told by a Jersey lawyer that one of his clients had claimed children had been killed there. However, Rectangle detectives had already interviewed this man and he had said nothing about murders.

It was true that in 2003 builders at Haut de la Garenne had found bones, but they were from animals. Moreover, there had never been a single contemporary report of a child going missing.

Gradwell said: 'Even children in care have families, friends and teachers, none of whom had ever reported a disappearance. Lenny has said one of his problems was the Jersey records were patchy and incomplete, so it was hard to be sure who had actually been there. In fact, they were excellent and very detailed.'


Mail on Sunday (Davisd Rose)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217863/Bungled-Jersey-child-abuse-probe-branded-20million-shambles.html#ixzz3j4x0NKwx


stephen25000

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Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #93 on: August 19, 2015, 07:49:26 PM »

A few unreliable mutterings, but there was no record of any kid having disappeared.

Builders had found a few bones, but they were animal.

Then came Eddie and the Coconut...

The main witness behind Harper's decision to begin the search for bodies was a woman with a known history of psychotic fantasy and alcoholism. She named children she said she had seen jumping to their deaths from Haut de la Garenne windows and hanging from trees in the garden, where she said she also found a severed hand. None of these claims were true.

(...)

At first, Rectangle was a low-key affair and attracted only local publicity. By February 2008, Harper's team had received some claims about possible murders at Haut de la Garenne, a children's home for 86 years until it closed in 1986. But they were far from reliable.

Besides the statements by the psychotic woman, the police had been told by a Jersey lawyer that one of his clients had claimed children had been killed there. However, Rectangle detectives had already interviewed this man and he had said nothing about murders.

It was true that in 2003 builders at Haut de la Garenne had found bones, but they were from animals. Moreover, there had never been a single contemporary report of a child going missing.

Gradwell said: 'Even children in care have families, friends and teachers, none of whom had ever reported a disappearance. Lenny has said one of his problems was the Jersey records were patchy and incomplete, so it was hard to be sure who had actually been there. In fact, they were excellent and very detailed.'


Mail on Sunday (Davisd Rose)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217863/Bungled-Jersey-child-abuse-probe-branded-20million-shambles.html#ixzz3j4x0NKwx

Is that the 'few unreliable mutterings' of victims of child abuse. ?

Offline mercury

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #94 on: August 19, 2015, 07:50:11 PM »
Thanks. Seems to be a case of he said, she said, the police said...enough said Mr Rose.

A Victorian home run for a hundred years and no deaths or mysterious disappearances? Even nunneries have murder and other scandals that have come to light eventually. Did you ever find out what all those teeth were doing in the cellars? 65 IIRC.

PS Do you know why it was closed down eventually?
« Last Edit: August 19, 2015, 07:53:27 PM by mercury »

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #95 on: August 19, 2015, 08:02:28 PM »
Is that the 'few unreliable mutterings' of victims of child abuse. ?

No, Stephen. I was talking about the mutterings of murder, for which there has been no evidence.

The child abuse, whether sexual, physical or psychological, is a separate issue. And there is yet another independent inquiry trying to get to the bottom of the general child care concerns underway now (well, suspended for summer recess, but to resume in September).

stephen25000

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Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #96 on: August 19, 2015, 08:07:39 PM »
No, Stephen. I was talking about the mutterings of murder, for which there has been no evidence.

The child abuse, whether sexual, physical or psychological, is a separate issue. And there is yet another independent inquiry trying to get to the bottom of the general child care concerns underway now (well, suspended for summer recess, but to resume in September).

I suggest you keep an eye von the inquiry in regards to the Jersey home.

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #97 on: August 19, 2015, 08:15:18 PM »
Thanks. Seems to be a case of he said, she said, the police said...enough said Mr Rose.

A Victorian home run for a hundred years and no deaths or mysterious disappearances? Even nunneries have murder and other scandals that have come to light eventually. Did you ever find out what all those teeth were doing in the cellars? 65 IIRC.

PS Do you know why it was closed down eventually?

There were no contemporaneous records of unexplained disappearances (which I assume to mean within the scope of the timeframe of alleged murders).

No, I haven't the faintest idea why teeth were kept. One story (uncorroborated and possibly from a dodgy article) was that a dentist had once worked there.

The place was closed down in 1986. I'd have to check back as to why. Unfit for purpose, I expect.

ETA: Some parts of it seem to have continued to be in use for children after 1986, for various reasons.

The abuse scandal didn't just concern HdlG - there were several "homes" in Jersey. The current inquiry is examining what went on in all of them from wartime (or post-war) onwards.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2015, 09:28:35 PM by Carana »

Offline mercury

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #98 on: August 19, 2015, 08:32:37 PM »

Thanks. Will have to do a bit of research as I know very little of the case and history.

The dentist ! Well, there would be some "logical explanation" for kids' teeth strewn around in a cellar I suppose!!
« Last Edit: August 19, 2015, 08:37:23 PM by mercury »

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #99 on: August 19, 2015, 08:55:38 PM »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #100 on: August 19, 2015, 09:00:13 PM »
Pamela's story

I was drugged, beaten and sexually abused ..what went on there was cruel, sadistic, evil

A woman who spent her early teens at the Jersey children's home yesterday told how she used to be drugged, beaten and sexually abused there.

Mum-of-two Pamela, now 49, spoke out after it emerged that ankle shackles, stocks and canes had been found at Haut de la Garenne, once home to 1,000 vulnerable children.

Pamela said that every night staff pulled cowering children from their beds and battered and raped them. She added: "The things that happened there are indescribable, the most cruel, sadistic and evil acts you could think of."

She said staff were "predators". They would throw parties and invite outsiders. Pamela recalls: "We would try and lie still in our beds and not attract attention. They came and got kids and took them away for a while. Rape was rife in all ages, both boys and girls."

The teenagers would get cigarettes and booze from staff in exchange for sex.

Pamela was regularly locked naked in a 10ft sq punishment cell for days for end. She was groped and beaten by a frightening 6ft man she believes was the home's deputy head, now dead. She said: "He was always sweaty and smelt of beer.

He would touch me sexually. He would slam me against a wall and say things like 'you're developing into a nice little woman, aren't you?'"

Male and female staff would abuse the children, grabbing their breasts or privates or spitting on them.

Kids were encouraged to rape each other. Pamela said: What makes it worse is these acts were practiced on vulnerable and often troubled children with nowhere to go and nobody to turn to."

Pamela, who still lives in Jersey, has scars from where she cut herself in the hope it would end her torment.

She added: "I have blurry memories that still disturb me. I was stripped and male staff put their hands between my legs and held my breasts."

The staff took their favourites alone to beauty spots. One lad, Paul Fossey, was befriended by a priest.

Pamela recalls: "He came to the home and told Paul he'd teach him to swim. They'd go out all day. But something happened. Paul changed. He became moody. He was never the same." He died from a heroin overdose five years ago.

Children would disappear and staff would say they had gone to a family or emigrated. No one would hear from them again. Pamela said: "If you kept asking where they had gone they would get angry. You kept your head down."

Pamela blew the whistle in 1974 but no one listened. A year later she was moved to a psychiatric unit and left when she was 16. Yesterday a card left with flowers at the local church read: "We children of Haut de la Garenne have waited a long time. We knew one day someone would listen."

Did you live or work at the home? Call the newsdesk on 0800 282591 or email us at mirrornews@mirror.co.uk

Torture left me terrified to go to bed

Union worker Peter Hannaford, who grew up at the home, said he was abused almost every night.

Peter, 59, said: "I was scared to go to bed. The abuse was anything from rape to torture.

"It was men and women who abused us. It was dark so you would never know who it was."

Peter, who spent the first 12 years of his life at Haut de la Garenne, added: "You were threatened with punishment if you said anything, which could be a whip or anything." He said it has traumatised him and called for the building to be flattened. He added: "When all this came out it really tore me apart and brought back a hell of memories. You would be sleeping then your arms would be held down... Most of the time it was the other kids, encouraged by the staff. It was all the time, it was every night."

Fear made me twice try suicide

Married businessman John tried to kill himself after being sexually assaulted and beaten.

He spent two years of hell at the home in the mid-1960s from the age of 12.

John, 54, said: "It was just one long nightmare.

"I was frightened to death most of the time."

He tried to escape and attempted suicide twice.

He recalls being made to bathe with male friends every night.

John added: "After drying ourselves, we were all made to stand in a line, naked," he said.

Then predatory male staff would move on them. "He would walk along, inspecting our genitals, touching us.

"If any of us flinched, or tried to cover up, he would hit us across our privates with his stick.

My escape in leap out of window

Cyril Turner, 48, had been at the home for two weeks in the early 1970s when, as a 13-year-old, he jumped from a second-floor window to escape the regime of violence and fear.

He said: "Some kids you saw again and some you wouldn't - we never really knew what happened to them.

"We were told a lot of them had run off and emigrated, which looking back was a bit odd.

"We were quite often given dead arms and dead legs by the staff.

"I remember being frog-marched around the place.

"If you were bad, you would get locked in a dark room with just bread and water.

"A lot of the staff there would be very physical - kids were thrown round a lot."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jersey-childrens-home-hell-victims-295467
« Last Edit: August 19, 2015, 09:07:38 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Anna

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #101 on: August 19, 2015, 09:09:49 PM »
Thanks. Will have to do a bit of research as I know very little of the case and history.

The dentist ! Well, there would be some "logical explanation" for kids' teeth strewn around in a cellar I suppose!!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haut_de_la_Garenne
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline mercury

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #102 on: August 19, 2015, 09:33:58 PM »
Thanks PF and Anna

PF
That harrowing tale tells alot more. Carana, presumably this isn't David Rose's "psychotic lying woman"!

If not, he failed as a journalist ignoring (or misreporting) any of that seeing as his article was dated over a year later

« Last Edit: August 19, 2015, 09:38:01 PM by mercury »

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #103 on: August 20, 2015, 10:03:25 AM »
Thanks PF and Anna

PF
That harrowing tale tells alot more. Carana, presumably this isn't David Rose's "psychotic lying woman"!

If not, he failed as a journalist ignoring (or misreporting) any of that seeing as his article was dated over a year later


No, it doesn't seem to be the psychotic woman.

I've read through all the accounts in the link I gave (you have to keep clicking "load more" to get to the start). There are loads of accounts ranging from the types of sexual abuse mentioned above to various forms of corporal or other punishment (which would be considered abuse today, but was probably considered within the bounds of "discipline" at the time). Some witnesses / victims were heard in private and it's not always clear if a summary of those was provided to the journalists or not.

None mention suspicious disappearances or murder (unless they are part of the private hearings and are under investigation).

There is this, though, which may account for what that lady was saying:



12:14 pm, Wed 14 Jan 2015

Staff shortages and a high turnover of short term admissions at Haut de la Garenne care home are being brought into question at Jersey's Independent Care Inquiry today.

(...)


Described as the islands most accessible residential resource, there was a very high turnover of admissions. Sixty-five per cent of children left within two weeks.

The report read that using the facility for a great deal of short term care and long term residents is easily conflicting and highly unsatisfactory.

It noted, 'long stay children have a less than fair deal' and described them as a group who have 'emotional needs that are not being met', which 'must deepen the frustration of the child'.


http://www.itv.com/news/channel/story/2014-09-10/latest-jersey-care-inquiry/

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #104 on: August 20, 2015, 10:12:58 AM »
On  6th  December  2010,  the  former  Chief  Minister,  Senator  T.A. Le Sueur,  made  the
following apology –

“On  behalf  of  the  Island’s  government,  I  acknowledge  that  the  care  system that  operated  historically  in  the  Island  of  Jersey failed  some  children  in  the States’  residential  care  in  a  serious  way.  Such  abuse  has  been  confirmed  by the  criminal  cases  that  have  been  before  Jersey’s  courts.  To  all  those  who suffered abuse, whether confirmed by criminal conviction or not, the Island’s
government offers its unreserved apology.”

In  making  that  apology,  the  States  of  Jersey  acknowledged  failings  in  the  Island’s historical   residential   care   system   identified   during   the   States   of   Jersey   Police investigation,   ‘Operation   Rectangle’.   Operation   Rectangle   identified   a   total   of 533 alleged  offences  reported  and  recorded  between
September  2007  and  December 2010.  Of  these,  315  were  reported  as  being  committed  at  Haut  de  la  Garenne children’s  home.  Eight  people  were  prosecuted  for  145 offences,  and  7 convictions were   secured.   

Police   identified   151 named   offenders and   192 victims.   As   a consequence,  on  9th  March  2012,  the  Council  of  Ministers  agreed  the  details  of  a Historic Abuse Redress Scheme for those who were in the States of Jersey’s full-time residential care between 9th May 1945 and 31st December 1994.

Detailed discussions with  claimants’  lawyers  concluded  that  individuals concerned  would  prefer  to  settle matters,  if  possible,  outside  of  public  and  adversarial  court  proceedings.  Under  the Scheme,  which  began  in  April  2012,  claimants  provided  the  relevant  details  and  the Scheme lawyers assessed each claim.

http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/AssemblyPropositions/2015/P.20-2015.pdf