Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?

[Mr Gray]

The first part is certainly correct, but I have major reservations about the part I underline.

Certainly that ought to have been Harrison's role, but Harrison's role was largely usurped.

Harrison's recommendations for canine inspections were: the holiday apartments, the Murats' place, all cars owned or driven by Murat, areas in and around PdL, and that was it.

How the other searches (and extended vehicle search) came about is a mystery.

Also, it is far from clear that Grime was representing SYP in PdL.

red claimed yesterday that harrison reccommended all cars driven or hired by mccanns a friends

[pegasus]

.... How the other searches (and extended vehicle search) came about is a mystery. ....

The 01 August decision to add the extra search locations and the reasons for doing so are officially documented here:
"Faced with the new matters brought to the file through the dog search reports above ....."
Processos 8 pages 2068 to 2070

[John]

So, all said and done it was Harrison who suggested that the EVRD be brought in to look for signs of a cadaver and there was me thinking it was all down to Gonçalo Amaral.   It certainly does appear that Amaral wasn't the only one who suspected the McCanns of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

Why is it that Grime also gets the blame for this fiasco, after all, he was only doing what he was tasked to do.

[Silkywhiskers]

So, all said and done it was Harrison who suggested that the EVRD be brought in to look for signs of a cadaver and there was me thinking it was all down to Gonçalo Amaral.   It certainly does appear that Amaral wasn't the only one who suspected the McCanns of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

Why is it that Grime also gets the blame for this fiasco, after all, he was only doing what he was tasked to do.

It's part of the pattern which is to abuse and denigrate every single individual connected to this case except the T9 who remain almost saintly in public opinion.

God knows how.

[Mr Gray]

So, all said and done it was Harrison who suggested that the EVRD be brought in to look for signs of a cadaver and there was me thinking it was all down to Gonçalo Amaral.   It certainly does appear that Amaral wasn't the only one who suspected the McCanns of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

Why is it that Grime also gets the blame for this fiasco, after all, he was only doing what he was tasked to do.

of course it was Harrison..amaral had never heard of dogs with these skills and didnt understand them...that's whats caused all the problems. Harrison didn't bring them in to investigate the parents though

[ferryman]

So, all said and done it was Harrison who suggested that the EVRD be brought in to look for signs of a cadaver and there was me thinking it was all down to Gonçalo Amaral.   It certainly does appear that Amaral wasn't the only one who suspected the McCanns of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

Why is it that Grime also gets the blame for this fiasco, after all, he was only doing what he was tasked to do.

John, read Harrison's terms of reference, handed to him by the PJ, and heading each of his 3 reports:

Terms of reference to provide assistance to the Portuguese Judicial Police.

1. Assist the Judicial Police and GNR in assessing new or previous areas searched and give opinion on the best methods and assets to provide assurance as to the absence or presence of M McCann's concealed remains.
2. Act as a "critical friend" to the officer in charge of search planning and management and offer immediate and enduring peer review until case resolution or search suspension.
3. Assist in the development of framework models such as scenario based searching to aid homicide disposal searching.
4. Consider further opportunities or areas for search in order to locate M McCann as applicable to the latest intelligence and inform tion provided.
5. Where appropriate, provide independent and impartial advice on the enabling and disabling factors of specialist resources available either within Portugal or elsewhere in body detection.
6. To assist in decision support where requested by testing and challenging claims made by persons offering unorthodox search methods or devices to aid locating M McCann.
7. Where appropriate and requested, assist in advising on procedures to procure any non Portuguese specialist assets that are deemed to be relevant and useful.

Also, Harrison wrote this, quite early, in the first of his 3 reports:

This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz. Other scenarios or possibilities may on request be considered and be subject of a further report.

[Estuarine]

of course it was Harrison..amaral had never heard of dogs with these skills and didnt understand them...that's whats caused all the problems. Harrison didn't bring them in to investigate the parents though

'ere we go again. It was all Amaral's fault. No back up to the statement whatever.

[stephen25000]

'ere we go again. It was all Amaral's fault. No back up to the statement whatever.

The response of the mccann supporters is so predictable Estuarine.

[John]

of course it was Harrison..amaral had never heard of dogs with these skills and didnt understand them...that's whats caused all the problems. Harrison didn't bring them in to investigate the parents though

Really, that must be a first.  Never known stranger abduction of a cadaver before...have you?

The dogs were obviously brought in to search for signs that an unreported death took place in apartment 5a.

[Benice]

'ere we go again. It was all Amaral's fault. No back up to the statement whatever.

It's more than obvious that Amaral didn't understand them.  He was under the impression that Eddie only alerted to dead bodies and had no idea that he also alerted to blood from living people.   The following extract from his book proves that.   He's got the facts completely the wrong way round - as it is only when Eddie alerts and Keela doesn't that Grime deduces that blood may not be the reason for the alert.   

Quote

Eddie is always the first to be brought onto a site. Once he has discerned the odour that he knows so well, it's Keela's turn to go into action, on the lookout for the slightest whiff of blood. The simultaneous presence of the two elements in a given place - blood and cadaver odours - is taken to indicate that a body has been there and that it's probably there that the death occurred.
Unquote

Both dogs alerted to the keyfob.  Both dogs alert to blood from a living person.   The forensic tests showed that it was Gerry's DNA that was present.

Amaral's description of how the dogs 'worked' in his book is simply not true.
 

[Estuarine]

It's more than obvious that Amaral didn't understand them.  He was under the impression that Eddie only alerted to dead bodies and had no idea that he also alerted to blood from living people.   The following extract from his book proves that.   He's got the facts completely the wrong way round - as it is only when Eddie alerts and Keela doesn't that Grime deduces that blood may not be the reason for the alert.   

Quote

Eddie is always the first to be brought onto a site. Once he has discerned the odour that he knows so well, it's Keela's turn to go into action, on the lookout for the slightest whiff of blood. The simultaneous presence of the two elements in a given place - blood and cadaver odours - is taken to indicate that a body has been there and that it's probably there that the death occurred.

Unquote

Both dogs alerted to the keyfob.  Both dogs alert to blood from a living person.   The forensic tests showed that it was Gerry's DNA that was present.

Amaral's description of how the dogs 'worked' in his book is simply not true.
 

It would be interesting to have sight of your certificates of competence in this field.

[ferryman]

Leicestershire Police Liaison officers were all asked whether anything about the behaviour or demeanor of the McCanns aroused their suspicion.

All replied no!

[stephen25000]

Leicestershire Police Liaison officers were all asked whether anything about the behaviour or demeanor of the McCanns aroused their suspicion.

All replied no!

Irrelevant.

Were the Leicestershire Police in PDL when Madeleine disappeared ?

[Benice]

It would be interesting to have sight of your certificates of competence in this field.

You are shooting the messenger. 

It is Grime's explanation of how his dogs worked not mine.     Grime states that if Eddie does not alert during a test - he does not send Keela in afterwards because he knows that if any blood had been present Eddie would have alerted.   

Amaral seems to have missed or misunderstood all that information from Grime  -  including the crucial fact that Eddie also alerted to blood from living people.

[ferryman]

red claimed yesterday that harrison reccommended all cars driven or hired by mccanns a friends

Murat's Vehicles.

All vehicles Murat has had access to have been forensically examined to recover any surface trace evidence however they may all benefit from a full search by the EVRD and CSI dogs. They may be able to detect whether a dead body has been transported in one of the vehicles for intelligence purposes or detect human blood deposits that can be recovered and
examined in a laboratory for Madeleine McCann's blood.

(Mark Harrison)