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Offline Brietta

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #405 on: July 27, 2014, 11:42:01 PM »
... so whose body is it behind the wall in the underground car park? ... Eddie showed a lot of interest and barked there as he jumped at it.
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #406 on: July 27, 2014, 11:44:33 PM »
... so whose body is it behind the wall in the underground car park? ... Eddie showed a lot of interest and barked there as he jumped at it.

Yes he found scent there and was following it. That scent was everywhere after passing the hire car which was the source of it. And a witness reported that the car boot was constantly open at the private villa in July but not followed up at the time.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #407 on: July 27, 2014, 11:56:40 PM »
Yes he found scent there and was following it. That scent was everywhere after passing the hire car which was the source of it. And a witness reported that the car boot was constantly open at the private villa in July but not followed up at the time.

Hmmm ... Eddie did not alert to the boot of the hire car.  He did alert to blood from a living person on a key fob. He did not alert to 'cadaver' or 'the scent of death'.  This we know.  He also alerted to the wall. This we also know.  So who is buried in the wall?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #408 on: July 27, 2014, 11:58:25 PM »
Hmmm ... Eddie did not alert to the boot of the hire car.  He did alert to blood from a living person on a key fob. He did not alert to 'cadaver' or 'the scent of death'.  This we know.  He also alerted to the wall. This we also know.  So who is buried in the wall?

If you watch the footage Eddie was going under the boot of the car but Grime brought him back. He wanted to go under the boot  >@@(*&) At no point in the footage did he sniff the car boot seal.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #409 on: July 28, 2014, 12:02:04 AM »
The dogs alerted to something.  Could have been someones sweat or urine or period ar salivar .... any bodily fluid ... or ot could have been cadavar odour.

The very fact that upon forensic examination it was found that there was no evudence of Cadavar PROVES that that Madeleine did NOT die in 5A and neither was she carried in the hire car

1.   I believe that the dogs almost always get it right, but right can mean any bodily fluid, cos Eddie is trained to alert to bodily fluids tyhe same as Cadavar odour..   The pointers are that Eddie alerted to bodily fluids, anyones, cos the forensics found none of Madeleines DNA where the alerts were.

2.  Martin Grime got it wrong at least once.  Cuddlecat had no odour on it when taken from that cupborad, but the pile of folders / papers on top of the cupboard did have some odour of bodily fluids or cadavar or even pig.  Who put those papers there?  That is what i would like to know.

3,   The childs top that was alerted to, was S***s and far too small for Madeleine.

4.   Now the car is something else. 
How come that Eddie kept running past that car and had to be repeatedly ordered back?
How come that Grime had to keep rapping the car and shouting at Eddie.?  Why was that necessary?
For a fair test, why didn't he give the other cars the same attention ?


5.   And finally how was the odour of whatever , able to seep throught a water and air tight door?  Car doors do not let in water or drafts even in the most appalling conditions unless there is a difference in pressures inside to out. 


So just what was Eddie alerting to?  Something on the outside of the car?


And, of course, yet again the DNA did not match Madeleines.  So that was proof that Madeleine was NOT in that car.




Thank you Eddie, thank you Martin Grime and Thank you the forensic laboratory. 

Between you, you did a great job proving that there was absolutely no evidence that Madeleine had died.



Sorry this post is late.  Have been tied up.

Offline Benice

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #410 on: July 28, 2014, 12:05:21 AM »
No Benice. You are putting two and two together and making five.

Eddie alerted.
They dug down.
They found loads of milk teeth.

So would Martin Grime........

(1)  claim this as a successful positive alert by Eddie - using the evidence of the milk teeth as proof of his dog's skills?  One of which was that he alerted to body bits from living people.     

Or

(2) would he say it was a positive alert - but he couldn't say for definite what his dog had alerted to - as he could be alerting to where a cadaver had lain, even though there was no trace of any physical remains at that spot.
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Logic and common sense dictate that with the evidence he had to hand  - he would plump for No. 1.     And he would be right to do so imo.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pegasus

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #411 on: July 28, 2014, 12:08:37 AM »
The plane t-shirt was for ages 2-3, for height 0.98 metres

Offline sadie

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #412 on: July 28, 2014, 12:11:18 AM »
The plane t-shirt was for ages 2-3, for height 0.98 metres
Madeleines stuff was much bigger.  She was virtually 4 years old, and  twice as old as a 2 year old.

Offline pegasus

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #413 on: July 28, 2014, 12:34:12 AM »
Madeleines stuff was much bigger.  She was virtually 4 years old, and  twice as old as a 2 year old.
According to the files the plane t-shirt was labelled "altura 98 cms".
That means "height 98 centimetres" (about three feet two and a half inches).

BTW I don't think it is important whose t-shirt it was. Because it wasn't being worn at the time.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #414 on: July 28, 2014, 12:50:43 PM »
OK ... so whose body is it behind the wall in the underground car park? ... Eddie showed a lot of interest and barked there as he jumped at it.

This helps to explain Eddie's behaviour in the underground car park - the scent could be strongest away from the actual source. You could then encourage the dog back to the closer spot i.e. Grime bringing Eddie back to the car or Eddie jumping in the river because the scent was strongest there.

« Last Edit: July 28, 2014, 01:07:31 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #415 on: July 28, 2014, 01:01:24 PM »
This helps to explain Eddie's behaviour in the underground car park - the scent could be strongest away from the actual source.



There is a fan on the wall in the carpark, just along from where Eddie was jumping.

The fans are filmed stationary, however, were the fans switched off before the cars were parked up?

Because if the fans were on and drawing air from the direction of the parked Renault & blowing it out t'other side.... that might go some way to explaining why the scent has drifted.

It was drawn towards the fan, perhaps.
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ferryman

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Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #416 on: July 28, 2014, 01:09:00 PM »
that might go some way to explaining why the scent has drifted.

I doubt if the scent of Gerry's blood on the ignition key drifted ...

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #417 on: July 28, 2014, 01:12:04 PM »
that might go some way to explaining why the scent has drifted.

I doubt if the scent of Gerry's blood on the ignition key drifted ...

They buried the blood key under sand at a far distance and performed a new test with Eddie for cadaver.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #418 on: July 28, 2014, 01:12:16 PM »
that might go some way to explaining why the scent has drifted.

I doubt if the scent of Gerry's blood on the ignition key drifted ...

Yet you believe the scent from the speck in the apartment filled the atmosphere in G5a.

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ferryman

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Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #419 on: July 28, 2014, 01:14:14 PM »
They buried the blood key under sand and performed a new test with Eddie for cadaver.

No they didn't.

Eddie was invited to react to the ignition key a second time apart from the car and inside a sandbox.

The key was sent to the FSS and Gerry's dna was extracted.