The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[Albertini]

So, are you saying that the only way to solve crimes is to have all witnesses and suspects take part in a reconstruction?

Nope.

[Albertini]

The PJ didn't believe Madeleine was taken by a paedophile though, so please explain how the McCanns and friends taking part in a reconstruction would have saved Madeleine from her fate?

No but the McCann's did believe that, and it was their decision not to participate which left Madeline to the fate they thought she had suffered.

[Alfred R Jones]

No but the McCann's did believe that, and it was their decision not to participate which left Madeline to the fate they thought she had suffered.

Wrong.  What they did was they completely lost faith in the PJ ever getting their arses in gear and actually trying to find Madeleine and instead shelled out hundreds of thousands of pounds to get their own investigators to try and find her instead.  Perfectly understandable in the circumstances.

[Albertini]

Wrong.  What they did was they completely lost faith in the PJ ever getting their arses in gear and actually trying to find Madeleine and instead shelled out hundreds of thousands of pounds to get their own investigators to try and find her instead.  Perfectly understandable in the circumstances.

No.

You saying "wrong" doesn't make it so.

The known facts are:

The Mccann's believed the child was abducted
The mcCann's were told their non co-operation would damage the investigation into their daughter and Kate stated in the affirmative.
They still refused to co-operate and the investigation was closed with the child still missing, and as far as the McCann's were concered still held by an abductor.

"losing faith" is pathetic excuse for accepting that you must leave your daughter to her fate even if that fate was a paedophile.

[Alfred R Jones]

No.

You saying "wrong" doesn't make it so.

The known facts are:

The Mccann's believed the child was abducted
The mcCann's were told their non co-operation would damage the investigation into their daughter and Kate stated in the affirmative.
They still refused to co-operate and the investigation was closed with the child still missing, and as far as the McCann's were concered still held by an abductor.

"losing faith" is pathetic excuse for accepting that you must leave your daughter to her fate even if that fate was a paedophile.

But they didn't abandon their daughter.  They have spent the last 7 years of their lives keeping her profile high, spending thousands on detectives, etc.  Perhaps you could explain why the McCanns should have had confidence and faith in the PJ in September 2007? 

[Albertini]

Too bloody true I would.  The McCanns were getting nowhere by staying in Portugal.  They were being fitted up by that disgraced copper.  You know, the one who covered up the torture of the mother of another missing child.
Shame on him.

I suppose that Kate was just so devastated that she wasn't thinking straight.  And Gerry was trying to be kind to her.
Many of us might have wished for a husband and father who was as good as he was.

Well I'm just glad you're not my mother then. As i say to choose self preservation based on conspiracy loon nonsense and ludicrous notions of being "fitting up" over making sure the investigation to find your child who you believe was taken by a paedophile remains looking for her.

As i have stated had the PJ wanted to fit them up, as you so vehemently believe, why did they not do that to secure the EAW's?

Can you answer that question please?

[Albertini]

What EAW?  And for what?  Don't be too silly.

Good grief, i thought you knew about the case. It was expected that once the forensics came in and after they had fled to the Uk the PJ would seek to enforce European Arrest Warrants.

That is why the McCann's hired Pinochet's extradition lawyer.

If the PJ were fit up merchants why didn't they fit up the evidence to be able to secure EAW's to get the back to Portugal to force them to take part in the reconstitution?

[faithlilly]

"I'd still rather go with the reconstitution actually to see the whites of peoples eyes." 

Back in 2007 Dr Amaral did not agree with you.  When he had the option to do so - he did not hold a reconstruction.

<< SNIP >> 44 - It was thought to do the reconstruction in May but that wasn't possible. The number of tourists, the number of journalists and the fact that the air space had to be closed (because of helicopters from the media) and the fact that it would make the public suspect the McCanns were being treated as suspects prevented it.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id137.html

Now where in that quote does it say that that decision was Amaral's ?

[Eleanor]

Good grief, i thought you knew about the case. It was expected that once the forensics came in and after they had fled to the Uk the PJ would seek to enforce European Arrest Warrants.

That is why the McCann's hired Pinochet's extradition lawyer.

If the PJ were fit up merchants why didn't they fit up the evidence to be able to secure EAW's to get the back to Portugal to force them to take part in the reconstitution?

They did try.  But unfortunately the friends of The McCanns were never made Arguidos.  They were the ones who refused to return.  And not The McCanns.

[Albertini]

They did try.  But unfortunately the friends of The McCanns were never made Arguidos.  They were the ones who refused to return.  And not The McCanns.

The McCann's official spokesman gave a named quote a newspaper saying their lawyers would block their return.

Lo and behold they did not return.

[Albertini]

Who knows what evidence would have been uncovered had they had to act out their statements in front of the PJ.

How would they explain Rachael's shutter closed moment swiftly followed by all and sundry going through said patio door whose metal shutter had apparently opened on its own and as if by magic.

[Eleanor]

Yes it was. The statement was made two weeks before the requests for participation were sent.

Pinkie stated they would not return "now" as their lawyers would block it.

You cant go do a reconstitution if your lawyers wont let you go back to the country it is to  be held in, can you?

So it was utterly in context.

Yet more rubbish.  Don't you see that I don't care if The McCanns went back or not.  It was always going to be a waste of time and money.
And if it was so bloody important, why didn't Rebelo insist?  EAW notwithstanding.  Rebelo would have won that on the grounds that they were Arguidos.

Do you have absolutely no conception of EU Law?

The rest of The Taps Crew were not Arguidos, and could not be compelled to do anything.  They didn't even have to submit themselves to Rogatory Interviews.  It was their right to refuse.

[John]

At the end of the day a child was missing but her parents and friends were not prepared to put their asses on a plane and return for a reconstitution of the events of 3rd May 2007.  Regardless of the pathetic excuses put forward on their behalf, their ultimate refusal to cooperate must be seen for what it is.

[Eleanor]

At the end of the day a child was missing but her parents and friends were not prepared to put their asses on a plane and return for a reconstitution of the events of 3rd May 2007.  Regardless of the pathetic excuses put forward on their behalf, their ultimate refusal to cooperate must be seen for what it is.

And what is that?

Do you know that I try very hard not to gainsay you because I believe that Moderators deserve some respect.  But you are now testing my patience.  This is why I believe that Moderators should not express personal opinions.

The McCanns never refused to go, so don't give me a pile of bullshit slipped in with the other rubbish. 

The friends of the McCanns refused to go.  And you can think what you like about that.  I might have gone if I was one of them, but I can promise you that it would have been of no use.  I would probably have smacked someone if they dared to tell me of what I already knew.

The Mccanns did not dispose of their daughter's body, and it would be an insult to any of their friends to suggest that they helped to do this.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[John]

They obviously felt that a reconstitution was a waste of time.  Poor Madeleine...she deserved better.