Are 'Murder by Stranger' victims ever removed from the scene of the crime?

[pegasus]

The two flats were next door to each other within same building. I will try to find another case. But it's difficult. If you insist on a total stranger perp, absolutely not connectable in any way to the victim, probably the only logical reason for removal would be if perp is aware of being on DNA database?   

[Cariad]

I will try to find another case. But it's difficult. If you insist on a total stranger perp, absolutely not connectable in any way to the victim, probably the only logical reason for removal would be if perp is aware of being on DNA database?

Yep. I'd say it's probably impossible. I really did try and find something myself before starting the thread.

DNA is the only reason I can come up with, but probably not applicable to the Mccann case as there wasn't any found, so either an intruder cleaned up or wore gloves. Given the time constraint, gloves were more likely.

Or there was no intruder.

[pegasus]

Found a case in 1827 or 1828 where a person named joseph was killed in own residence a lodging house and the perps then removed him. However the perps lived in same building so probably you will disqualify it.

[pegasus]

... Or there was no intruder.

The evidence indicates an intruder who did not enter.

[Mr Gray]

Yep. I'd say it's probably impossible. I really did try and find something myself before starting the thread.

DNA is the only reason I can come up with, but probably not applicable to the Mccann case as there wasn't any found, so either an intruder cleaned up or wore gloves. Given the time constraint, gloves were more likely.

Or there was no intruder.

Sy seem convinced that an intruder was possible

[pegasus]

Sy seem convinced that an intruder was possible

Well the majority of intruders are burglars.

[pathfinder73]

The evidence indicates an intruder who did not enter.

There is no evidence of an intruder who did not enter. He went to the trouble to open everything - window, shutters then left without attempting to enter  The only finger prints found and no glove marks indicate staging.

[pegasus]

.. He went to the trouble to open everything - window, shutters then left without attempting to enter  ...

You may laugh, but yes that is likely IMO.

[Cariad]

Searched high and low......

Dennis Radar and the murder of Delores Davis. This guy is one seriously nasty piece of filth! She was his tenth victim and also wasn't his usual MO to remove the body.

http://www.karisable.com/skazbtkdd.htm

Ten internet points to you sir!

We have an example of a stranger committing a murder in someone's home and removing the body!

I'm going to doing some Googling to see if BTK says why he did it!

I'll be back.....

[Carana]

Yep. I'd say it's probably impossible. I really did try and find something myself before starting the thread.

DNA is the only reason I can come up with, but probably not applicable to the Mccann case as there wasn't any found, so either an intruder cleaned up or wore gloves. Given the time constraint, gloves were more likely.

Or there was no intruder.

Apparently, this was the original forensic search area within the apartment. That seems logical in the immediate panic, but I'm not aware that a more thorough investigation ever took place later prior to the dog inspection, but that only checked where Keela had alerted and that was many occupants later.

[pegasus]

Two indisputably correct answers by buzz.

[pegasus]

Re the plan posted by Carana above showing seven areas examined forensically for hairs etc.
Those areas do not include behind the sofa under the window nor even near it.
Those areas do not include inside the left wardrobe in the south bedroom nor near it nor anywhere in that room.
Basically the examination is only of three routes from child bedroom to outdoors.
Does anyone know if the forensic examination of these seven areas was all done on the 4th May?
 

[Cariad]

I've just spent a rather harrowing hour looking in to the Dennis Rader killings. I watched this you tube video of his confession of killing Dolores E Davis, thanks to Buzz for finding Mrs Davis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaDE1GEVm8w

During which he references a Mrs Hedge. So I found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NPCzLuB14c

On these two occasions he removed the victims bodies from their homes. Although he doesn't say why, Mrs Hedge actually lived on the same street as him, so body removal makes sense.

He didn't seem to have any connection to Dolores Davis though.

The only other thing I found was this snippet:

 "Lately he also started to change the disposal site of one body in order to throw police out of his identification."

http://www.criminal-psychology.net/site/tag/dennis-rader/

Whether they mean Mrs Hedge or Mrs Davis, isn't clear.

Watching the video, I kept waiting for the judge to ask him why he moved the bodies. He didn't.

As an aside, Dennis Rader is absolutely terrifying.

[pegasus]

So the murders, of Davis by Rader, and of David Ferriera by Chase, were both murder by stranger at the victims property with subsequent body removal. But it seems in both cases the reason for removal was not to remove evidence.
 

[pegasus]

Does anyone know of any cases where an attempted burglary is interrupted at its beginning by an awoken resident so the burglar flees but the event triggers indirectly the accidental death of the resident?