Terms explained - Cadaver - Cadaver scent - Cadaverine - Contaminant etc...

[Brietta]

Serendipity says in reply #30 that, "Eddie was not trained using cadaverine during his cadaver training but was trained on pigs and human cadavers."

Dogs are trained using human remains in the USA, but use of human remains for training purposes is illegal in Europe.

When and where did Eddie receive training using human remains?

[Cariad]

Serendipity says in reply #30 that, "Eddie was not trained using cadaverine during his cadaver training but was trained on pigs and human cadavers."

Dogs are trained using human remains in the USA, but use of human remains for training purposes is illegal in Europe.

When and where did Eddie receive training using human remains?

"The use of human remains

for the purpose of training dogs in the U.K. is not acceptable at this point in time. The

dog has however considerable experience in operational recovery of human remains

and evidential forensic material and has trained exclusively using human remains in

the U.S.A"

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

[ferryman]

"The use of human remains

for the purpose of training dogs in the U.K. is not acceptable at this point in time. The

dog has however considerable experience in operational recovery of human remains

and evidential forensic material and has trained exclusively using human remains in

the U.S.A"

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

I believe the first (and only) time Eddie went to America was after Grime retired, for the Sam Parker case ....

http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1945-poacher-s-view-on-grime-and-the-dogs

[Cariad]

I believe the first (and only) time Eddie went to America was after Grime retired, for the Sam Parker case ....

http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1945-poacher-s-view-on-grime-and-the-dogs

 He has additionally trained exclusively using
human remains in the U.S.A. in association with the F.B.I

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Ferryman, I've supplied Mr Grime's own words in a legal document. You've posted a link to a forum.

As source's go, mine is considerably better than yours 

[John]

It must be pointed out that the posts on some obscure forum by this Poacher, who by the way claimed to have worked alongside Martin Grime, must be treated as uncorroborated forum speculation.  Some of the claims are quite libellous and should not be repeated here.

Maybe Serendipity would address the claims and put the record straight once and for all.

[Serendipity]

It must be pointed out that the posts on some obscure forum by this Poacher, who by the way claimed to have worked alongside Martin Grime, must be treated as uncorroborated forum speculation.  Some of the claims are quite libellous and should not be repeated here.

Maybe Serendipity would address the claims and put the record straight once and for all.

Martin first took the dogs out to the FBI Body Farm in 2005.  The body farm only uses human remains.

Not about much at the moment as not too well but will catch up with other threads in the next few days :)

[John]

Martin first took the dogs out to the FBI Body Farm in 2005.  The body farm only uses human remains.

Not about much at the moment as not too well but will catch up with other threads in the next few days :)

Thank you for replying Serendipity.  For far too long Martin has been denied an opportunity to put the record straight.  The claims that he never took dogs to the USA are malicious fabrications.  Can you please confirm which dog or dogs made the trip with Martin?

Sorry to hear you are not well, hope you feel better soon.

[ferryman]

Poacher was slightly out in estimating the number of deployments as 80.

The true number is 37

[Brietta]

Martin first took the dogs out to the FBI Body Farm in 2005.  The body farm only uses human remains.

Not about much at the moment as not too well but will catch up with other threads in the next few days :)

I think it is worth taking a look at whatever it is that singles out Eddie’s skills, considering the emphasis on his status as an EVRD. 
A quick search gives training standards and certification expected for dogs in the USA, where the use of human body parts has been customary for many years. 

When was certification introduced? 

If it was prior to 2005 it should be easy enough to confirm Eddie’s enhanced status with sight of a copy of his certificate.


Published on 10 Jan 2013 
Cadaver dog Murphy during a training exercise. Murphy was trained by Joe Blake at Joe Blake's School of Professional Dog Training. Murphy is commissioned by Trace Missing Persons Ireland, to carry out searches for Ireland's missing people. Trainer Joe Blake has over 25 years experience working with dogs he Certified in the USA and is well established among the professional sectors including Law Enforcement Agencies.  Patch was trained in the USA and holds the NNDDA Certification. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swXcuiLdte8

http://www.uspcak9.com/certification/grounds-certification-cadaver.pdf

http://barksar.org/NNDDA_cert.pdf

[Serendipity]

Thank you for replying Serendipity.  For far too long Martin has been denied an opportunity to put the record straight.  The claims that he never took dogs to the USA are malicious fabrications.  Can you please confirm which dog or dogs made the trip with Martin?

Sorry to hear you are not well, hope you feel better soon.

Thanks John, I'm getting ocular migraines which make reading the screen difficult due to a very wacky kaleidoscope effect across my vision. They come and go making it difficult to post often at the mo but hopefully will be gone soon :)  Martin took both dogs over to the US.

[Mr Gray]

Doesn't matter where they trained if Grime says in an official statement to the police that their alerts have no evidential value

[Angelo222]

Thanks John, I'm getting ocular migraines which make reading the screen difficult due to a very wacky kaleidoscope effect across my vision. They come and go making it difficult to post often at the mo but hopefully will be gone soon :)  Martin took both dogs over to the US.

So sorry to hear you are out of sorts Serendipity, I sometimes get the same thing especially when Sadie is pushing her Moroccan fantasy.

[Wonderfulspam]

So sorry to hear you are out of sorts Serendipity, I sometimes get the same thing especially when Sadie is pushing her Moroccan fantasy.

It's not a fantasy. Maddie was sold for 100 grand.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3799.msg142951#msg142951

[Angelo222]

Doesn't matter where they trained if Grime says in an official statement to the police that their alerts have no evidential value

That elusive evidential value might just come home to roost yet.  Never say never eh???   

[Angelo222]

It's not a fantasy. Maddie was sold for 100 grand.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3799.msg142951#msg142951

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