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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Expertise
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2014, 07:48:51 PM »
This is the best I can do.

Kate: And you know Oprah...
 
Oprah: ...nothing can happen quick enough...
 
Kate: It was so dark...
 
Oprah: uh huh...




 
Kate: it was dark, erm I've never had such a long night it was dark and you're just praying for the light you know to come up to get out there it's just...
 
Oprah: uh huh...


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id234.html

So not exactly "we didn't search cause it was too dark".

I think now I've read that, I'll edit my previous comment to make it more accurate.

Very gracious of you cariad...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Expertise
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2014, 07:51:20 PM »
Goodness me,  Red must have really rattled your cage    ...  even in  her absence you can't hold in the bile  !

Anyway,  this thread is about the value of expertise to the forum  and  not about the specifics of a debate you once had with a member who you harbour bitterness towards

You are taking it off topic

As you are taking it off topic I have to reply to your accusations and insults against me...no bile ...no bitterness...just a desire for that truth as without the truth we will get nowhere

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Expertise
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2014, 07:53:01 PM »
Yet other people did go out 'in the dark' and searched for several hours and on subsequent days, including holidaymakers and residents of the area.

Now who didn't do that ?

Tough question, that one. 8(0(*

the thread is re expertise

stephen25000

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Re: Expertise
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2014, 07:56:42 PM »
the thread is re expertise

Indeed the lack of expertise or for that matter anything, in the mccanns searching for their 'beloved' daughter.

People can be judged on what they fail to do. 8)-)))

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Expertise
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2014, 07:59:05 PM »
Indeed the lack of expertise or for that matter anything, in the mccanns searching for their 'beloved' daughter.

People can be judged on what they fail to do. 8)-)))

The tread is about expertise..not the mccanns...if you want to start a searching thread I will answer all your questions on there...otherwise ..on topic please

stephen25000

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Re: Expertise
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2014, 08:08:01 PM »
The tread is about expertise..not the mccanns...if you want to start a searching thread I will answer all your questions on there...otherwise ..on topic please

I did discuss expertise, or rather more accurately, the lack of it.

Cariad

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Re: Expertise
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2014, 08:09:15 PM »
Very gracious of you cariad...

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I don't mind holding my hand up to it and I don't see it as losing face. I'm glad you pushed for the cite (which I should've tried to produce before posting anyway) otherwise I'd probably still have believed that.

My first exposure to the intricacies of the Mccann case was via my news feed on facebook as one of my friends posted in that group. I've spent a long time unlearning some of the 'facts' I picked up there. I guess the job isn't quite finished yet.

I have a great deal of respect for Redblossem and I won't just sit back and watch you or anyone talk about her when she isn't here to defend herself.

SNIP///
IMNEO the problem with this whole case is that there is no clear evidence of abduction and no clear evidence of parents/tapas 9 involvement.......if you like, my glass is half empty, your's is half full. I fall on the half empty side because my brain tells me that the suspicious activity which has surrounded certain aspects of this case is abnormally high.


That me! I could've written that! I'm jumping on your boat, buzz.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Expertise
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2014, 08:11:51 PM »
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I don't mind holding my hand up to it and I don't see it as losing face. I'm glad you pushed for the cite (which I should've tried to produce before posting anyway) otherwise I'd probably still have believed that.

My first exposure to the intricacies of the Mccann case was via my news feed on facebook as one of my friends posted in that group. I've spent a long time unlearning some of the 'facts' I picked up there. I guess the job isn't quite finished yet.

I have a great deal of respect for Redblossem and I won't just sit back and watch you or anyone talk about her when she isn't here to defend herself.

That me! I could've written that! I'm jumping on your boat, buzz.

That's fair enough but you must accept that I have very right to comment on a post

Cariad

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Re: Expertise
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2014, 08:16:26 PM »
That's fair enough but you must accept that I have very right to comment on a post

Yes, as do I. Hence this debate about a post Red made once which the mods aren't going to thank us for, since it's more stuff for them to have to whoosh.


Offline Mr Gray

Re: Expertise
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2014, 08:16:39 PM »
Goodness me,  Red must have really rattled your cage    ...  even in  her absence you can't hold in the bile  !

Anyway,  this thread is about the value of expertise to the forum  and  not about the specifics of a debate you once had with a member who you harbour bitterness towards

You are taking it off topic

Perhaps you could point out the bile and bitterness in my statement....


"her limitless knowledge had limits it seems"

I think you owe me an apology

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Expertise
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2014, 08:18:22 PM »
Yes, as do I. Hence this debate about a post Red made once which the mods aren't going to thank us for, since it's more stuff for them to have to whoosh.

It takes a least two to have a debate so you can hardly put the blame at my door

Cariad

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Re: Expertise
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2014, 08:24:10 PM »
It takes a least two to have a debate so you can hardly put the blame at my door

When did I put the blame at your door? I just agreed that you could comment on any post you liked and so could I!

Can we leave it there please? I don't want to get in to a 'you started it, no you started it' row.

drummer

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Re: Expertise
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2014, 12:09:13 AM »
Yet other people did go out 'in the dark' and searched for several hours and on subsequent days, including holidaymakers and residents of the area.

Now who didn't do that ?

Tough question, that one. 8(0(*

Pretty please change your mantra or start a thread why you think the Mccanns are crap parents and keep it there. Every single thread lately has been derailed by your silly comments. Equally, the comments about Goncalo being a crap detective shouldn't be brought into every bloody thread. It's 2014 we've heard it for the last six years or so. We know what the Mcanns/Goncalo should / shouldn't have done, move on.

drummer

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Re: Expertise
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2014, 12:24:36 AM »
You are right, but the reasons why people are still going on about the McCann's being bad parents is because it is true also people are yet still defending them for their despicable actions. By doing this it irritates people because it is not normal in any way for a PARENT to do this!

I understand what you are saying, some posters defend them and others don't.  There is no reason for every thread to be derailed because of it. Should have it's own thread then people can give their opinions there instead of spoiling every thread.

Offline gilet

Re: Expertise
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2014, 01:10:26 AM »
In my view the problem is that some posters claim expertise and expect their expert input to be accepted by posters but there is no evidence either in the content of the posts or offered in some other way by the poster as to whether that content is genuine or not.

It is perfectly acceptable for people to post anything and say this is my expert opinion so long as that opinion can be challenged and then defended. If the only defence to any challenge is, "I am right, you are wrong, now stop arguing" then the claim to expertise can, in my view, rightly be questioned.

It becomes even more insidious if the moderators then state that no challenge is allowed and posters who challenge this expert will be warned or potentially be banned.

It is even more insidious still if the challenge is supported by good evidence but the "expert" provides nothing to support his or her original claim. Then there literally is no debate, just propaganda being issued by the "expert".

It then becomes a waste of time posting because anything which goes against the "expert" will simply be deleted.

If I post something which I cannot support with evidence then that is open to challenge and if others post evidence which contradicts it good on them.

If I post something from my personal knowledge, for example from a conversation with a lawyer, I cannot expect it to be accepted here as expert evidence. You have no way of knowing how I might have forgotten what was said, twisted what was said or even made up what was said. You can either accept it or dismiss it. You can challenge it and offer evidence against it and weigh up the responses.

That is how I believe things should work with those offering "expertise" on a forum.