Are the Tapas Rogatory statements as released by Duarte Levy genuine?

[Mr Gray]

Can you provide a statement or cite from him to that effect Dave?

no I cant...but perhaps someone else can...certainly if redwood thought it was Gerry then Gerry would be a suspect

[jassi]

no I cant...but perhaps someone else can...certainly if redwood thought it was Gerry then Gerry would be a suspect

Not necessarily - he might have a very tight and specific remit

[Mr Gray]

Not necessarily - he might have a very tight and specific remit

Has there ever been a case where two people have been declared not suspects by SY and then subsequently convicted

[jassi]

There's never been a case quite like the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, so there are no precedents.

[Benice]

Can you provide a statement or cite from him to that effect Dave?

It was claim made in the Sunday Times article about the Efits - (I believe there is a thread about it)

This is the relevant part of the article.

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There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.
Unquote

[ferryman]

It was claim made in the Sunday Times article about the Efits - (I believe there is a thread about it)

This is the relevant part of the article.

QUOTE
There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.
Unquote

True!

And a further, significant, point to make about Smith's original statement, where he said he believed the man  he saw was Gerry.

He also said that none of his children agreed with him, including his daughter Aofe who, in my opinion, was the most astute observer of all the Smiths of what they saw that night.

[jassi]

True!

And a further, significant, point to make about Smith's original statement, where he said he believed the man  he saw was Gerry.

He also said that none of his children agreed with him, including his daughter Aofe who, in my opinion, was the most astute observer of all the Smiths of what they saw that night.

Well, there's a surprise   

[Brietta]

True!

And a further, significant, point to make about Smith's original statement, where he said he believed the man  he saw was Gerry.

He also said that none of his children agreed with him, including his daughter Aofe who, in my opinion, was the most astute observer of all the Smiths of what they saw that night.

Mr Smith did not identify Dr McCann as the man he saw carrying the child in his original statement.

-- Urged, he states that the individual did not appear to be a tourist. He cannot explain this further. It was simply his perception given the individual's clothing.   

-- States that it is not possible for him to recognise the individual in person or by photograph.  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

[pathfinder73]

Mr Smith did not identify Dr McCann as the man he saw carrying the child in his original statement.

-- Urged, he states that the individual did not appear to be a tourist. He cannot explain this further. It was simply his perception given the individual's clothing.   

-- States that it is not possible for him to recognise the individual in person or by photograph.  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Yes those statements were done months earlier than when he contacted the police again in September.

From: Long Lindsay
 Sent: 20th September, 2007 11:37
 CC: Hughes John (DC)
 Re: Smith Family

 Rec via: TELEPHONE Series: 241 Ident: BC19-8286-1055 20/09/07
 Telephone: *********
 Locale: Portugal/Out of country
 Origin: Mr. Martin Smith 'Ireland

 Text: Reported that he passed a male carrying a child in Praia da Luz the night Maddie went missing. Went and made a statement to Portugal police in Portimao on 26th of May and returned to the U.K. Is saying that after seeing McCANNS on the news on 9th of September when they returned to the U.K. He has not slept and is worried sick. He states he was watching the 10 pm news on BBC and saw the McCANNS getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the other male seen the night Maddy went missing. He also watched ITV news and SKY news and inferred it looked like the same person both times carrying the children. Is asking a member of the OP Task Force to ring him back. He was with a group of 9 family and friends the night he saw the male in Portugal. He sounded quite shaken and worried whilst speaking to me.

 Rec by: TPHONE Serial: 241 Ident:BC19-8286 1055 20/09/07
 1101 8286-BC19 Incident linked to 209 26/06/07
 1101 8286-BC19 Incident Result ODI: ADMIN DUPLICATE INCIDENT
 QNG: QUALIFIER NOT REQUIRED
 1101 8286-BC19 Incident Closed

 Lindsay Long
 Holmes Indexer
 Major Crime
 Braunstone Police Station

[pegasus]

If you claim the type of identification (carrying style) in the Sept statement by Mr Smith is accurate, please look at the Sept statement by Mr McClusky

[Mr Gray]

Yes those statements were done months earlier than when he contacted the police again in September.

From: Long Lindsay
 Sent: 20th September, 2007 11:37
 CC: Hughes John (DC)
 Re: Smith Family

 Rec via: TELEPHONE Series: 241 Ident: BC19-8286-1055 20/09/07
 Telephone: *********
 Locale: Portugal/Out of country
 Origin: Mr. Martin Smith 'Ireland

 Text: Reported that he passed a male carrying a child in Praia da Luz the night Maddie went missing. Went and made a statement to Portugal police in Portimao on 26th of May and returned to the U.K. Is saying that after seeing McCANNS on the news on 9th of September when they returned to the U.K. He has not slept and is worried sick. He states he was watching the 10 pm news on BBC and saw the McCANNS getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the other male seen the night Maddy went missing. He also watched ITV news and SKY news and inferred it looked like the same person both times carrying the children. Is asking a member of the OP Task Force to ring him back. He was with a group of 9 family and friends the night he saw the male in Portugal. He sounded quite shaken and worried whilst speaking to me.

 Rec by: TPHONE Serial: 241 Ident:BC19-8286 1055 20/09/07
 1101 8286-BC19 Incident linked to 209 26/06/07
 1101 8286-BC19 Incident Result ODI: ADMIN DUPLICATE INCIDENT
 QNG: QUALIFIER NOT REQUIRED
 1101 8286-BC19 Incident Closed

 Lindsay Long
 Holmes Indexer
 Major Crime
 Braunstone Police Station

So he didn't the man's face

[jassi]

The report (as you have copied it) doesn't say that - that's your spin.

[Mr Gray]

The report (as you have copied it) doesn't say that - that's your spin.

He says he thought it was Gerry by the way he carried the child...doesn't mention seeing his face...it seems he has changed his mind now and SY do not believe it was Gerry.....

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There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.
Unquote

[stephen25000]

He says he thought it was Gerry by the way he carried the child...doesn't mention seeing his face...it seems he has changed his mind now and SY do not believe it was Gerry.....

QUOTE
There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.
Unquote

Do we have a direct quote from Mr. Smith,or is this all verbatim yet again ?

[Mr Gray]

Do we have a direct quote from Mr. Smith,or is this all verbatim yet again ?

is any of the information re Smith reliable