The dog alerts to Kates clothing explained as work related.

[Carana]

The DNA(Maddie's) in the car was another lie, but it seems to be OK to lie about some people and highly unacceptable to criticise others. Also what is the point of research into a thread subject when it is unknown how long it will be there for?.

Picking up on Ferryman's post concerning Gerry's arguido interview:


-- Regarding the cadaver odour in the car that was rented at the end of May, (xx)-DA-27, he says he cannot explain more than what he already has.
--- Regarding the presence of human blood in the boot of the same vehicle, he says that he has not explanation for this fact.
-- When confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations also described before, he says that he cannot explain.

It is clearly either total incompetence on the part of the PJ interrogating him in understanding the results, or bluff. Or perhaps both.

Were either Kate or Gerry actually shown the forensic reports? 

[Anna]

Picking up on Ferryman's post concerning Gerry's arguido interview:


-- Regarding the cadaver odour in the car that was rented at the end of May, (xx)-DA-27, he says he cannot explain more than what he already has.
--- Regarding the presence of human blood in the boot of the same vehicle, he says that he has not explanation for this fact.
-- When confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations also described before, he says that he cannot explain.

It is clearly either total incompetence on the part of the PJ interrogating him in understanding the results, or bluff. Or perhaps both.

Were either Kate or Gerry actually shown the forensic reports?

Obviously not. It was a bullying tactic to instil  enough fear........

[Carana]

Obviously not. It was a bullying tactic to instil  enough fear........

I suppose that the original PJ team could have misunderstood... I can't work out from Amaral's book and later claims whether he ever actually understood the forensics or not.

If no one on that original team actually understood the basic forensics.... why on earth were they in charge of a potential murder case?

ETA: Particularly after the total lack of any relevant forensic evidence in the Cipriano case... Bewildering.

[Mr Moderator]

Mike Walker (National Enquirer): "And as the doctor, as the wife pointed out, she said I handled six dead bodies just days ago, before I came to Portugal for my vacation. That's what I do. I'm a doctor."

 Kate McCann was a part-time GP at a small practice in Melton Mowbray, a sleepy town in middle England with a population of 25,500. Leaving aside the fact that it would not have been her job to routinely 'handle dead bodies', 6 dead, under her part-time care, in the days before she left for Portugal, would surely have raised questions as to her professional competence. Indeed, such a scenario, if true, would test the credibility of an Agatha Chrsitie or Ruth Rendell novel.

 A quick Google search reveals there were no reported outbreaks of smallpox, bubonic plague or arsenic in the pork pies, so we are left to conclude that the '6 dead bodies' were unceremoniously exhumed purely to counter the indications made by the sniffer dogs.

 But why? If there has never been a 'shred of evidence' that Madeleine is dead, as the McCanns have consistently, and persistently, argued, then why did they feel the need to manufacture an alibi for the smell of death found in locations, and on various items, connected to them?

 Philomena McCann, Gerry's sister, was the first to pick up the baton, on the day of Gerry McCann's arguido interview:

“He’s going in at 2pm today. But he’s not the main suspect, for some unknown reason there’s something about a sniffer dog sniffing Kate. Suddenly a dog can talk and says she smelled a death. How can that be when a British sniffer dog came out months after Madeline’s case. They’re doctors, if there’s a smell of death on them could that possibly be a patient?”

 It's worth noting here that the primary concern of Philomena is to shift the finger of blame away from her brother onto his wife. Blood is thicker than water, after all. It's only once she has irrevocably established that 'the main suspect' is Kate, that she feels comfortable to move onto the dogs indications - those being associated with Kate, of course. She does not reject the dogs alerts as 'ludicrous' and 'impossible' but accepts them and further seeks to provide justification for them.

 It was Lori Campbell, writing in the Sunday Mirror, 09 September 2007, who then developed the story further:

'Kate was also told sniffer dogs had discovered the scent of a corpse on her jeans. But she said that could be easily explained because as a locum GP she had been near a dead person before the family's holiday.'

 Quite what she was doing 'near' a dead person, in her jeans, without seemingly attending to them, remains a mystery. Maybe she thought she could assess the state of the unfortunate person's health by standing in a different room, much like she claims was the case when she checked on Madeleine ("I did my check about 10.00 'clock and went in through the sliding patio doors and I just stood, actually [in the living room] and I thought, oh, all quiet, and to be honest, I might have been tempted to turn round then...").

 But wait, there's more. In another report, in the same issue, by the same author, the number has remarkably grown, as if Ms Campbell had suddenly discovered a cake labelled 'EAT ME':

'Friends have pointed out that GP Kate was present at several deaths before she went away on holiday.'

 The idea that Kate attended to 'several deaths', or even just the one, dressed in clothes suited to a Portuguese beach holiday surely stretches the credibility of that argument to snapping point. It appears it wasn't only Eddie, the Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog, that was barking at that time.

 It is unsurprising that the claim was quickly dropped after the McCanns fled back to the UK and fell into the arms of a team of high profile and expensive lawyers, and various PR personnel. It has never been repeated since - until being dug up again for the Nancy Grace show.

 It seems clear that the McCanns' lawyers realised the McCanns were sheltering in a house of cards and advised them to turn defence into attack. They did so by embarking on a course of action designed to undermine and belittle the capabilities of the sniffer dogs and the credibility of their handler, Martin Grime.

 Hence we witnessed the following exchange, in an interview with Sandra Felgueiras for Portuguese TV, 05 November 2009:

Sandra Felgueiras: This is the first time that you give us a big interview, not being arguidos [suspects], since then. So now I feel free to ask you this directly: How can you explain the coincidence of the scent of cadaver found by British and not Portuguese dogs?

Kate McCann: Sandra, maybe you should be asking the judiciary because they've examined all this...

Sandra Felgueiras: But those were not an explanation for that.

Kate McCann: I mean, we are obviously Madeleine's mum and dad and we're desperate for people to help us find Madeleine, which is why we're here today. The majority of people are inherently good and I believe the majority of people in Portugal are inherently good people and we're asking them if they'll help us spread this message to that person or people that knows something.

Sandra Felgueiras: So you don't have any explanation for that?

Gerry McCann: Ask the dogs, Sandra.

Sandra Felgueiras: Ask the dogs? No, Gerry. Now I think, well, I feel free to ask you. Don't you feel free to answer me?

Gerry McCann: I can tell you that we have obviously looked at evidence about cadaver dogs and they are incredibly unreliable.

Sandra Felgueiras: Unreliable?

Gerry McCann: Cadaver dogs, yes. That's what the evidence shows, if they are tested scientifically.

 Indeed. So unreliable that they continue to be used as an investigative tool in all major homicide inquiries and missing people cases.

 Most recently, Martin Grime testified at the murder trial of D'Andre Lane, who was found guilty of abusing and murdering his two-year-old daughter, Bianca Jones, even though, like Madeleine, her body has never been found.

 Mr Grime's cadaver dog 'Morse' detected a scent inside Lane's car (on the child's blanket and on a car seat), in the girl's bedroom and in Lane's home.

 "Have the results you've come up with ever been contradicted?" asked Judge Vonda Evans at the trial.

 "No," replied Mr Grime.


Full interview

[Alfred R Jones]

Mike Walker (National Enquirer): "And as the doctor, as the wife pointed out, she said I handled six dead bodies just days ago, before I came to Portugal for my vacation. That's what I do. I'm a doctor."

The National Enquirer is a well-known fabricator of stories.  Where is it recorded that Kate McCann said the quote attributed to her?

Where is the rest of the above article from?  Also the NE?

[Mr Gray]

Mike Walker (National Enquirer): "And as the doctor, as the wife pointed out, she said I handled six dead bodies just days ago, before I came to Portugal for my vacation. That's what I do. I'm a doctor."

 Kate McCann was a part-time GP at a small practice in Melton Mowbray, a sleepy town in middle England with a population of 25,500. Leaving aside the fact that it would not have been her job to routinely 'handle dead bodies', 6 dead, under her part-time care, in the days before she left for Portugal, would surely have raised questions as to her professional competence. Indeed, such a scenario, if true, would test the credibility of an Agatha Chrsitie or Ruth Rendell novel.

 A quick Google search reveals there were no reported outbreaks of smallpox, bubonic plague or arsenic in the pork pies, so we are left to conclude that the '6 dead bodies' were unceremoniously exhumed purely to counter the indications made by the sniffer dogs.

 But why? If there has never been a 'shred of evidence' that Madeleine is dead, as the McCanns have consistently, and persistently, argued, then why did they feel the need to manufacture an alibi for the smell of death found in locations, and on various items, connected to them?

 Philomena McCann, Gerry's sister, was the first to pick up the baton, on the day of Gerry McCann's arguido interview:

“He’s going in at 2pm today. But he’s not the main suspect, for some unknown reason there’s something about a sniffer dog sniffing Kate. Suddenly a dog can talk and says she smelled a death. How can that be when a British sniffer dog came out months after Madeline’s case. They’re doctors, if there’s a smell of death on them could that possibly be a patient?”

 It's worth noting here that the primary concern of Philomena is to shift the finger of blame away from her brother onto his wife. Blood is thicker than water, after all. It's only once she has irrevocably established that 'the main suspect' is Kate, that she feels comfortable to move onto the dogs indications - those being associated with Kate, of course. She does not reject the dogs alerts as 'ludicrous' and 'impossible' but accepts them and further seeks to provide justification for them.

 It was Lori Campbell, writing in the Sunday Mirror, 09 September 2007, who then developed the story further:

'Kate was also told sniffer dogs had discovered the scent of a corpse on her jeans. But she said that could be easily explained because as a locum GP she had been near a dead person before the family's holiday.'

 Quite what she was doing 'near' a dead person, in her jeans, without seemingly attending to them, remains a mystery. Maybe she thought she could assess the state of the unfortunate person's health by standing in a different room, much like she claims was the case when she checked on Madeleine ("I did my check about 10.00 'clock and went in through the sliding patio doors and I just stood, actually [in the living room] and I thought, oh, all quiet, and to be honest, I might have been tempted to turn round then...").

 But wait, there's more. In another report, in the same issue, by the same author, the number has remarkably grown, as if Ms Campbell had suddenly discovered a cake labelled 'EAT ME':

'Friends have pointed out that GP Kate was present at several deaths before she went away on holiday.'

 The idea that Kate attended to 'several deaths', or even just the one, dressed in clothes suited to a Portuguese beach holiday surely stretches the credibility of that argument to snapping point. It appears it wasn't only Eddie, the Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog, that was barking at that time.

 It is unsurprising that the claim was quickly dropped after the McCanns fled back to the UK and fell into the arms of a team of high profile and expensive lawyers, and various PR personnel. It has never been repeated since - until being dug up again for the Nancy Grace show.

 It seems clear that the McCanns' lawyers realised the McCanns were sheltering in a house of cards and advised them to turn defence into attack. They did so by embarking on a course of action designed to undermine and belittle the capabilities of the sniffer dogs and the credibility of their handler, Martin Grime.

 Hence we witnessed the following exchange, in an interview with Sandra Felgueiras for Portuguese TV, 05 November 2009:

Sandra Felgueiras: This is the first time that you give us a big interview, not being arguidos [suspects], since then. So now I feel free to ask you this directly: How can you explain the coincidence of the scent of cadaver found by British and not Portuguese dogs?

Kate McCann: Sandra, maybe you should be asking the judiciary because they've examined all this...

Sandra Felgueiras: But those were not an explanation for that.

Kate McCann: I mean, we are obviously Madeleine's mum and dad and we're desperate for people to help us find Madeleine, which is why we're here today. The majority of people are inherently good and I believe the majority of people in Portugal are inherently good people and we're asking them if they'll help us spread this message to that person or people that knows something.

Sandra Felgueiras: So you don't have any explanation for that?

Gerry McCann: Ask the dogs, Sandra.

Sandra Felgueiras: Ask the dogs? No, Gerry. Now I think, well, I feel free to ask you. Don't you feel free to answer me?

Gerry McCann: I can tell you that we have obviously looked at evidence about cadaver dogs and they are incredibly unreliable.

Sandra Felgueiras: Unreliable?

Gerry McCann: Cadaver dogs, yes. That's what the evidence shows, if they are tested scientifically.

 Indeed. So unreliable that they continue to be used as an investigative tool in all major homicide inquiries and missing people cases.

 Most recently, Martin Grime testified at the murder trial of D'Andre Lane, who was found guilty of abusing and murdering his two-year-old daughter, Bianca Jones, even though, like Madeleine, her body has never been found.

 Mr Grime's cadaver dog 'Morse' detected a scent inside Lane's car (on the child's blanket and on a car seat), in the girl's bedroom and in Lane's home.

 "Have the results you've come up with ever been contradicted?" asked Judge Vonda Evans at the trial.

 "No," replied Mr Grime.

So from what blatant anti McCann publication is this from?

[Mr Gray]

Mike Walker (National Enquirer): "And as the doctor, as the wife pointed out, she said I handled six dead bodies just days ago, before I came to Portugal for my vacation. That's what I do. I'm a doctor."

 Kate McCann was a part-time GP at a small practice in Melton Mowbray, a sleepy town in middle England with a population of 25,500. Leaving aside the fact that it would not have been her job to routinely 'handle dead bodies', 6 dead, under her part-time care, in the days before she left for Portugal, would surely have raised questions as to her professional competence. Indeed, such a scenario, if true, would test the credibility of an Agatha Chrsitie or Ruth Rendell novel.

 A quick Google search reveals there were no reported outbreaks of smallpox, bubonic plague or arsenic in the pork pies, so we are left to conclude that the '6 dead bodies' were unceremoniously exhumed purely to counter the indications made by the sniffer dogs.

 But why? If there has never been a 'shred of evidence' that Madeleine is dead, as the McCanns have consistently, and persistently, argued, then why did they feel the need to manufacture an alibi for the smell of death found in locations, and on various items, connected to them?

 Philomena McCann, Gerry's sister, was the first to pick up the baton, on the day of Gerry McCann's arguido interview:

“He’s going in at 2pm today. But he’s not the main suspect, for some unknown reason there’s something about a sniffer dog sniffing Kate. Suddenly a dog can talk and says she smelled a death. How can that be when a British sniffer dog came out months after Madeline’s case. They’re doctors, if there’s a smell of death on them could that possibly be a patient?”

 It's worth noting here that the primary concern of Philomena is to shift the finger of blame away from her brother onto his wife. Blood is thicker than water, after all. It's only once she has irrevocably established that 'the main suspect' is Kate, that she feels comfortable to move onto the dogs indications - those being associated with Kate, of course. She does not reject the dogs alerts as 'ludicrous' and 'impossible' but accepts them and further seeks to provide justification for them.

 It was Lori Campbell, writing in the Sunday Mirror, 09 September 2007, who then developed the story further:

'Kate was also told sniffer dogs had discovered the scent of a corpse on her jeans. But she said that could be easily explained because as a locum GP she had been near a dead person before the family's holiday.'

 Quite what she was doing 'near' a dead person, in her jeans, without seemingly attending to them, remains a mystery. Maybe she thought she could assess the state of the unfortunate person's health by standing in a different room, much like she claims was the case when she checked on Madeleine ("I did my check about 10.00 'clock and went in through the sliding patio doors and I just stood, actually [in the living room] and I thought, oh, all quiet, and to be honest, I might have been tempted to turn round then...").

 But wait, there's more. In another report, in the same issue, by the same author, the number has remarkably grown, as if Ms Campbell had suddenly discovered a cake labelled 'EAT ME':

'Friends have pointed out that GP Kate was present at several deaths before she went away on holiday.'

 The idea that Kate attended to 'several deaths', or even just the one, dressed in clothes suited to a Portuguese beach holiday surely stretches the credibility of that argument to snapping point. It appears it wasn't only Eddie, the Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog, that was barking at that time.

 It is unsurprising that the claim was quickly dropped after the McCanns fled back to the UK and fell into the arms of a team of high profile and expensive lawyers, and various PR personnel. It has never been repeated since - until being dug up again for the Nancy Grace show.

 It seems clear that the McCanns' lawyers realised the McCanns were sheltering in a house of cards and advised them to turn defence into attack. They did so by embarking on a course of action designed to undermine and belittle the capabilities of the sniffer dogs and the credibility of their handler, Martin Grime.

 Hence we witnessed the following exchange, in an interview with Sandra Felgueiras for Portuguese TV, 05 November 2009:

Sandra Felgueiras: This is the first time that you give us a big interview, not being arguidos [suspects], since then. So now I feel free to ask you this directly: How can you explain the coincidence of the scent of cadaver found by British and not Portuguese dogs?

Kate McCann: Sandra, maybe you should be asking the judiciary because they've examined all this...

Sandra Felgueiras: But those were not an explanation for that.

Kate McCann: I mean, we are obviously Madeleine's mum and dad and we're desperate for people to help us find Madeleine, which is why we're here today. The majority of people are inherently good and I believe the majority of people in Portugal are inherently good people and we're asking them if they'll help us spread this message to that person or people that knows something.

Sandra Felgueiras: So you don't have any explanation for that?

Gerry McCann: Ask the dogs, Sandra.

Sandra Felgueiras: Ask the dogs? No, Gerry. Now I think, well, I feel free to ask you. Don't you feel free to answer me?

Gerry McCann: I can tell you that we have obviously looked at evidence about cadaver dogs and they are incredibly unreliable.

Sandra Felgueiras: Unreliable?

Gerry McCann: Cadaver dogs, yes. That's what the evidence shows, if they are tested scientifically.

 Indeed. So unreliable that they continue to be used as an investigative tool in all major homicide inquiries and missing people cases.

 Most recently, Martin Grime testified at the murder trial of D'Andre Lane, who was found guilty of abusing and murdering his two-year-old daughter, Bianca Jones, even though, like Madeleine, her body has never been found.

 Mr Grime's cadaver dog 'Morse' detected a scent inside Lane's car (on the child's blanket and on a car seat), in the girl's bedroom and in Lane's home.

 "Have the results you've come up with ever been contradicted?" asked Judge Vonda Evans at the trial.

 "No," replied Mr Grime.

this is just another pathetic attempt to smear the McCanns by posting an article that has no credibility. No wonder some gullible people swallow these things when they are presented as the truth

[Alfred R Jones]

It is written by Nigel Moore - say no more.

[Mr Gray]

It is written by Nigel Moore - say no more.

so basically its all lies

[Alfred R Jones]

this is just another pathetic attempt to smear the McCanns by posting an article that has no credibility. No wonder some gullible people swallow these things when they are presented as the truth

Anyone who begins an article with a quote from the National Enquirer to try and lend their ensuing article credibility really is scraping the barrel.   The paper is notorious for publishing the most scandalous, salacious and above all inaccurate stories ever written!  It's would be like quoting the Sunday Sport in order to support one's argument.  Absurd.

[Mr Moderator]

For anyone who has missed it the full interview which included contributions from our very own Jerry Lawton of the Daily Star.

www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1308/27/ng.01.html


MIKE WALKER Senior Editor "National Enquirer"

"The night she disappeared, the parents had been, as you said, checking on her. They were having dinner with some people about 300 yards away from -- pardon me, about 100 yards, 300 feet away from the room, and they were sitting around a pool. So they could see the room. They were sending somebody over. One of them would go over every 30 minutes or so to check on the children, and then suddenly of course the disappearance.

Now, what happened immediately, when the disappearance was reported, and the police arrived, the first thing the police didn`t do was secure the crime scene. People were walking all over, all around. As Scotland Yard says, you know, destroying what might have been valuable forensic evidence, or maybe not.

The next thing that happened was the police just decided arbitrarily that because both of these people were doctors, one of them a very respected cardiologist and his wife a very respected general practitioner, doctors, they decided what they were doing probably was drugging the kids so that they would stay asleep and not be a bother, and probably that`s what happened here, and she overdosed the kid and the kid died, and so they got rid of the body. Question, Nancy. Where do you get rid of a body? OK? They tried to say that rented car had DNA evidence traced. It was later proven to be wrong, wrong forensic testing. But you know, what did they do? They secretly kept the baby somewhere under the bed in the rental place where they stayed, under police supervision all those days? No. You can`t hide a body like that. Very hot in Portugal that time of year. Bodies decompose very quickly. So there`s in way that anybody can say there`s any evidence that the child had died.

And even when the Spanish -- Portuguese police brought in corpse sniffing dogs, they said we sniffed your car keys and we had a trace of a dead body. There you are. And as the doctor, as the wife pointed out, she said I handled six dead bodies just days ago, before I came to Portugal for my vacation. That`s what I do. I`m a doctor. And so there`s no evidence that the child died, but there`s a lot of evidence mounting that she may still be alive."

www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1308/27/ng.01.html

[Carana]

Mike Walker (National Enquirer): "And as the doctor, as the wife pointed out, she said I handled six dead bodies just days ago, before I came to Portugal for my vacation. That's what I do. I'm a doctor."

The National Enquirer is a well-known fabricator of stories.  Where is it recorded that Kate McCann said the quote attributed to her?

Where is the rest of the above article from?  Also the NE?

Is that the origin? A certain "Mike Walker" being given an exclusive in the National Enquirer? And that got copied? LOL

[Mr Gray]

For anyone who has missed it the full interview which included contributions from our very own Jerry Lawton of the Daily Star.

www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1308/27/ng.01.html


WALKER: The night she disappeared, the parents had been, as you said, checking on her. They were having dinner with some people about 300 yards away from -- pardon me, about 100 yards, 300 feet away from the room, and they were sitting around a pool. So they could see the room. They were sending somebody over. One of them would go over every 30 minutes or so to check on the children, and then suddenly of course the disappearance.

Now, what happened immediately, when the disappearance was reported, and the police arrived, the first thing the police didn`t do was secure the crime scene. People were walking all over, all around. As Scotland Yard says, you know, destroying what might have been valuable forensic evidence, or maybe not.

The next thing that happened was the police just decided arbitrarily that because both of these people were doctors, one of them a very respected cardiologist and his wife a very respected general practitioner, doctors, they decided what they were doing probably was drugging the kids so that they would stay asleep and not be a bother, and probably that`s what happened here, and she overdosed the kid and the kid died, and so they got rid of the body. Question, Nancy. Where do you get rid of a body? OK? They tried to say that rented car had DNA evidence traced. It was later proven to be wrong, wrong forensic testing. But you know, what did they do? They secretly kept the baby somewhere under the bed in the rental place where they stayed, under police supervision all those days? No. You can`t hide a body like that. Very hot in Portugal that time of year. Bodies decompose very quickly. So there`s in way that anybody can say there`s any evidence that the child had died.

 And even when the Spanish -- Portuguese police brought in corpse sniffing dogs, they said we sniffed your car keys and we had a trace of a dead body. There you are. And as the doctor, as the wife pointed out, she said I handled six dead bodies just days ago, before I came to Portugal for my vacation. That`s what I do. I`m a doctor. And so there`s no evidence that the child died, but there`s a lot of evidence mounting that she may still be alive.

So you believe all this....

[Alfred R Jones]

I see. It's not even a quote from the National Enquirer paper itself,  but a quote from a TV interview which included the guy from the Enquirer.  He really should have checked his facts before spouting off like that but I see that in essence he appears to be sceptical regarding the possibility that the McCanns were involved in a cover-up.  It's unsurprising that his words taken out of context to be used as yet another stick with which to beat Madeleine's parents though.

[Mr Moderator]

So you believe all this....

The distance from the patio of 5a to the tapas restaurant is 50 metres and not 300 feet.