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Offline Brietta

I find it rather strange that the Portuguese authorities seem to be dragging their heels as far as the letters of request are concerned.

Surely it is in everyone’s interest to have Madeleine McCann’s case progressed hopefully to a conclusion. 

It is my understanding that if NSY are given the necessary permissions to question people in the Portuguese jurisdiction this will be done under the lead of the Portuguese police who will be present at all times. 

IMO it makes sense because the presence of the Portuguese professionals will ensure that everything is done to the letter of Portuguese law, just as NSY would advise on British laws in their jurisdiction. 

It is known as co-operation. 

I see no problem in getting it into operation as a matter of urgency. 
« Last Edit: April 27, 2014, 07:28:19 AM by John »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2014, 07:24:44 PM »
I'm sure the Portuguese will ensure that the system works exactly as it would if it were the  Portuguese police wanting to operate in UK.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

stephen25000

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Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2014, 07:26:06 PM »
I find it rather strange that the Portuguese authorities seem to be dragging their heels as far as the letters of request are concerned.

Surely it is in everyone’s interest to have Madeleine McCann’s case progressed hopefully to a conclusion. 

It is my understanding that if NSY are given the necessary permissions to question people in the Portuguese jurisdiction this will be done under the lead of the Portuguese police who will be present at all times. 

IMO it makes sense because the presence of the Portuguese professionals will ensure that everything is done to the letter of Portuguese law, just as NSY would advise on British laws in their jurisdiction. 

It is known as co-operation. 

I see no problem in getting it into operation as a matter of urgency.

What happened to cooperation Brietta when the PJ requested information/assistance from the Leicestershire Police ?

Has it crossed your mind that the people SY want to 'interview' have already been questioned and eliminated ?

It is also quite possible the PJ know full well there is no evidence of abduction, and the case is going nowhere, and, they have been told to 'cooperate' by their political masters, and please don't say there hasn't been political influence in this case, because  there damn well has.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2014, 09:03:57 PM »
What happened to cooperation Brietta when the PJ requested information/assistance from the Leicestershire Police ?

Has it crossed your mind that the people SY want to 'interview' have already been questioned and eliminated ?

It is also quite possible the PJ know full well there is no evidence of abduction, and the case is going nowhere, and, they have been told to 'cooperate' by their political masters, and please don't say there hasn't been political influence in this case, because  there damn well has.

depends what you mean by political interference. there  been no interference in the judicial system of Portugal ...there has been pressure applied to the govt to make money available for SY to review the  evidence.
What will happen if the SY don't get the cooperation they are entitled to?...then I think we will see GOVT pressure to get things moving...and quite rightly. What a disgrace if the SY investigation into Maddie's disappearance is hampered by the Portuguese...the UK won't stand for it

stephen25000

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Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2014, 09:22:23 PM »
depends what you mean by political interference. there  been no interference in the judicial system of Portugal ...there has been pressure applied to the govt to make money available for SY to review the  evidence.
What will happen if the SY don't get the cooperation they are entitled to?...then I think we will see GOVT pressure to get things moving...and quite rightly. What a disgrace if the SY investigation into Maddie's disappearance is hampered by the Portuguese...the UK won't stand for it

Blair and especially Brown, were involved, till they backed off from the scene, and it well known Brown talked to Socrates on the case.

Won't stand for it ???

Don't make me laugh.

Just like the UK government stand up to THE U.S.A. ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2014, 09:28:32 PM »
Blair and especially Brown, were involved, till they backed off from the scene, and it well known Brown talked to Socrates on the case.

Won't stand for it ???

Don't make me laugh.

Just like the UK government stand up to THE U.S.A. ?

Blair and Brown involved in what way...telling the portuguese govt to get amaral out of the pub

portugal are not the usa and they are  in the EU and governed by their laws

Offline Brietta

Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2014, 09:36:20 PM »
What happened to cooperation Brietta when the PJ requested information/assistance from the Leicestershire Police ?

Has it crossed your mind that the people SY want to 'interview' have already been questioned and eliminated ?

It is also quite possible the PJ know full well there is no evidence of abduction, and the case is going nowhere, and, they have been told to 'cooperate' by their political masters, and please don't say there hasn't been political influence in this case, because  there damn well has.

Agreed, Stephen it is a very political case and always has been.

Portugal is a member of the European Union and as such is signatory to certain conventions. 

It will be interesting to see how that pans out. 

In the interim, I think you have a very low opinion of the standard of the PJ investigation when you insinuate they are simulating it to placate their ‘political masters’. 

Please bear in mind the present PJ team provided the fresh evidence which enabled Madeleine’s case to be re-opened in Portugal.


1959 and 2000 conventions both relevant, and each to be cited in a letter of request:

the 23 Member States of the European Union which have ratified both conventions:
Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom;

Iceland and Norway.   
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/obtaining_evidence_and_information_from_abroad/

Refusal of assistance

Nearly all legal instruments (treaties, conventions and memoranda of understanding) specify grounds upon which a request may be refused, either in totality or certain aspects only. The decision will be for the requested authority to make.
If assistance is refused there is usually little, if any, scope for negotiation.
Common grounds for refusing a request include the following:
The offence under investigation is deemed a political offence;
The legal principle ne bis in idem (double jeopardy) may be offended;
The offence concerned is covered by an amnesty in the requested state;
The age of the offender is under the age of legal responsibility in the requested state;
The requested measure cannot be legally authorised in the requested state;
If undertaking the request could compromise an investigation or proceedings in the requested state.
In practice, refusal is rare and is most likely to occur simply because the request cannot be executed at all, perhaps due to insufficient information to establish the whereabouts of the evidence or a witness.
However, prosecutors must remember that practical issues including costs and the availability of resources may affect how, if at all, a request can be undertaken. If the request is complex, vague, too wide in its scope, or imposes unreasonable deadlines, these factors could all have a negative affect on the successful completion of the request.
For further information see the relevant legal instruments pursuant to which the request is made. See Annex A for the most relevant treaties and conventions.  http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/obtaining_evidence_and_information_from_abroad/
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2014, 09:47:30 PM »
depends what you mean by political interference. there  been no interference in the judicial system of Portugal ...there has been pressure applied to the govt to make money available for SY to review the  evidence.
What will happen if the SY don't get the cooperation they are entitled to?...then I think we will see GOVT pressure to get things moving...and quite rightly. What a disgrace if the SY investigation into Maddie's disappearance is hampered by the Portuguese...the UK won't stand for it

I think there will be repercussions of some kind if assistance is refused to allow NSY to pursue the lines of inquiry they need to.

It is quite bizarre that people seem to be reluctant to take the best shot we have of solving the case of a missing British child.

Is there a fear of what we will find out?

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2014, 10:31:56 PM »
I think there will be repercussions of some kind if assistance is refused to allow NSY to pursue the lines of inquiry they need to.

It is quite bizarre that people seem to be reluctant to take the best shot we have of solving the case of a missing British child.

Is there a fear of what we will find out?
With Casa Pia the elites that were mentioned in the early stages weren't even prosecuted and their names were dropped IIRC.  Just a handful of smaller fry were prosecuted.

Seems to me that some mighty big fish in PT might have an interest in this case NOT coming to Court.  Now is it just patriotic pride, support the poor PJ or is it something altogether more sinister?

Offline John

Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2014, 11:09:59 AM »
With Casa Pia the elites that were mentioned in the early stages weren't even prosecuted and their names were dropped IIRC.  Just a handful of smaller fry were prosecuted.

Seems to me that some mighty big fish in PT might have an interest in this case NOT coming to Court.  Now is it just patriotic pride, support the poor PJ or is it something altogether more sinister?

I have great sympathy with those comments Sadie.  Not that I am surprised though since it was a fascist State for 41 years and which only ceased to be one in 1974.  It takes a while for the secret police mentality to be got rid of completely,  no wonder many within the population will never volunteer information.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

icabodcrane

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Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2014, 12:52:20 PM »
Once a police investigation has been  politicised it is almost impossible to  'un'-politicise it

The  Hillsborough investigation is a classic example

The McCann case was politicised very early on with the secondment to the Foreign Office of the Government's head of Media Monitoring Clarence Mitchell 

Offline sadie

Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2014, 01:10:29 PM »
Once a police investigation has been  politicised it is almost impossible to  'un'-politicise it

The  Hillsborough investigation is a classic example

The McCann case was politicised very early on with the secondment to the Foreign Office of the Government's head of Media Monitoring Clarence Mitchell
Aw, come on !  8**8:/:

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2014, 01:33:54 PM »
Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?

Yes, there is.
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Offline gilet

Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2014, 02:57:38 PM »
What happened to cooperation Brietta when the PJ requested information/assistance from the Leicestershire Police ?

Has it crossed your mind that the people SY want to 'interview' have already been questioned and eliminated ?

It is also quite possible the PJ know full well there is no evidence of abduction, and the case is going nowhere, and, they have been told to 'cooperate' by their political masters, and please don't say there hasn't been political influence in this case, because  there damn well has.

Such political interference in a case is disgusting.

When a police force such as the PJ is "told to 'co-operate' by their political masters we know that country is utterly corrupt.  Your belief that the PJ may simply be the puppets of such political interference is clear but what is the motive for the Portuguese Politicians to deny justice to a missing little girl?

How do you explain that these supposedly upright men and women of the PJ simply kow tow to such disgraceful political manipulation?

As for your claim that there has been any other kind of political manipulation (by Blair or Brown for example) can you provide us with some evidence or are you just guessing again? We are told there was a conversation between Brown and Socrates but do you by any chance know the content of that conversation or are you just guessing as to what was said? Don't you think it normal in such a high profile case that it might be casually mentioned by two national leaders when meeting or is that simply not conspiratorial enough for you? Personally, I would be shocked if Brown had not mentioned the case and asked how things were progressing.

I await some actual evidence from you with much anticipation, though I don't expect you will manage to provide any.


Offline gilet

Re: Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2014, 02:59:04 PM »
Is there still political interference in the Madeleine McCann case?

Yes, there is.

Prove it or at least offer evidence for your claim or be seen to be a WUM without any actual ability to contribute to the debate here.