Author Topic: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?  (Read 110999 times)

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Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #60 on: May 01, 2014, 09:36:03 PM »
... Wardrobe Shelf ...
As I said IMO at about 9.05pm or 9.10pm it was north bedroom alive and well.
However looking at your hypothesis for that time - presumably you mean south bedroom, left wardrobe?
Which shelf?

(BTW Mr Amaral's video seems to mistakenly reconstruct the pile of clothes one shelf higher than in PJ photos, and the bag one shelf higher than in PJ photos).

« Last Edit: May 01, 2014, 09:38:06 PM by pegasus »

ferryman

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #61 on: May 01, 2014, 09:42:17 PM »
... and the fact that the window was opened from the inside might be said to lend plausibility to the suggestion that an abduction was staged

You obviously missed the video clip of Peter Mac with Pat Brown opening the apartment 5a windows from the outside ...

What fact ... ?

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #62 on: May 01, 2014, 09:46:30 PM »
... the video clip of Peter Mac with Pat Brown opening the apartment 5a windows from the outside ...
or much better, the video by Heriberto, showing complete opening from outside of a similar window and shutter, a simple three-stage method.
IMO Mr Amaral was mistaken when in he concluded the window and shutter could not be opened from outside.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #63 on: May 01, 2014, 10:21:34 PM »
As I said IMO at about 9.05pm or 9.10pm it was north bedroom alive and well.
However looking at your hypothesis for that time - presumably you mean south bedroom, left wardrobe?
Which shelf?

(BTW Mr Amaral's video seems to mistakenly reconstruct the pile of clothes one shelf higher than in PJ photos, and the bag one shelf higher than in PJ photos).



Clothes are on the shelf where Eddie sniffed and then alerted.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #64 on: May 01, 2014, 10:40:08 PM »
I suppose if abduction hadn't been the word of the moment, more searching may have taken place...

Having watched media reports of the search for a missing child in Edinburgh, I was struck by the way the police organised everything. 

Names of volunteers were taken and areas to be searched were co-ordinated. 

People with experience of searching for missing people were tasked with searching particular areas, and civilian teams walking in line were under supervision of professionals. 

In this way no area was left unsearched and the chance of duplicating searches in one area was reduced considerably as a record was being kept. 
The police controlled and supervised every aspect of the search. 

It is possible that the garden area outside 5a was searched by different teams or individuals. 

It is possible it was omitted from the search. 

In the absence of records such as those which must be in existence from the Edinburgh searches, we will never know.

I do not believe the fact that Madeleine's parents thought she had been abducted would necessarily affect a properly conducted police investigation.
I believe the police on the ground would have borne the possibility of abduction in mind as well as considering all other options.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #65 on: May 02, 2014, 12:15:14 AM »
So someone coming and "whoever" threw Madeleines body over the balcony to hide it in the flower bed?  Is that what you are saying?

Holy mackerel, what an unpleasant imagination you have  8)-)))

Nobody was thrown over the balcony  @)(++(*  Eddie alerted to the flower bed below where a body was placed after descending the steps or he alerted to the broken branches that were collected as evidence in the flower bed - they fell down from above balcony IMO.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2014, 01:04:15 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #66 on: May 02, 2014, 01:17:52 AM »
Clothes are on the shelf where Eddie sniffed and then alerted.

That pair of photos illustrates that the shelf sniffed just before alert is the one with clothes pile.
(However IMO at 9.05/9.10 all was well)
Mr Amaral points to the same shelf.
(A small error is he has placed the recreated pile of clothes represented by blue fabric one shelf too high, and the recreated bag one shelf too high and too far to the right).
At 5 minutes 13 seconds in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvY3Ek6q8IM

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #67 on: May 02, 2014, 08:00:28 AM »
Nobody was thrown over the balcony  @)(++(*  Eddie alerted to the flower bed below where a body was placed after descending the steps or he alerted to the broken branches that were collected as evidence in the flower bed - they fell down from above balcony IMO.

From the little information available on residual cadaver odour there is no way the scent would have lasted outside for three months

stephen25000

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #68 on: May 02, 2014, 08:27:19 AM »
read the post again....from the little information available...there was one study which I read that certainly indicated that theh scent would not last outside with wind and rain...

We certainly know what SY think of the alerts as they think maddie may still be alive and MccAnns are not suspects

Precisely what scents would persist would depend on the volatility and concentrations of the compounds involved and the degree of adsorption onto the surfaces where deposited. Don't you agree davel  ?

As to SY please keep up, they also said she might be dead.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #69 on: May 02, 2014, 08:31:54 AM »
Precisely what scents would persist would depend on the volatility and concentrations of the compounds involved and the degree of adsorption onto the surfaces where deposited. Don't you agree davel  ?

As to SY please keep up, they also said she might be dead.

There are other factors which you have NOT considered...outside with wind and rain these scents would dissipate more quickly than if they were undisturbed..you would have to agree with that...the fact that SY have said she amy be alive means that they do not accept the dogs prove she is dead ..fact

stephen25000

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #70 on: May 02, 2014, 08:36:20 AM »
There are other factors which you have NOT considered...outside with wind and rain these scents would dissipate more quickly than if they were undisturbed..you would have to agree with that...the fact that SY have said she amy be alive means that they do not accept the dogs prove she is dead ..fact

It would depend on the relative solubilities in water and it's composition and the degree of exposure to the rainfall.

Meanwhile do you accept that SY accept Madeleine could have dies, and in the apartment >

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #71 on: May 02, 2014, 08:38:28 AM »
It would depend on the relative solubilities in water and it's composition and the degree of exposure to the rainfall.

Meanwhile do you accept that SY accept Madeleine could have dies, and in the apartment >

Sop trying to sound clever..you don't...what you mean is if its pissing down the scent will be washed away...similar for wind...
of course maddie MAY have died in the apt ...I have said this many times...its one of the possibilities

stephen25000

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2014, 08:40:56 AM »
Sop trying to sound clever..you don't...what you mean is if its pissing down the scent will be washed away...similar for wind...
of course maddie MAY have died in the apt ...I have said this many times...its one of the possibilities

I am not trying to be clever davel, it's basic Chemistry.

By the way it's Madeleine.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2014, 09:49:59 AM »
I am not trying to be clever davel, it's basic Chemistry.

By the way it's Madeleine.

you are ignoring the most important facts...the environment....I call her maddie

stephen25000

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #74 on: May 02, 2014, 09:52:45 AM »
you are ignoring the most important facts...the environment....I call her maddie

Your expertise knows no bounds. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*