Author Topic: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?  (Read 110897 times)

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #165 on: June 11, 2014, 07:48:29 AM »
MI5?  Is this Amaral's New, Improved Thesis?  Does he know what MI5 is?

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #166 on: June 11, 2014, 07:55:17 AM »
Surely arguido status can be removed at any time if evidence is obtained which justifies it?

Apparently not, John. If you're made an arguido, your status as such remains for the duration of the case (unless it's shelved).

2000 CPP:
Artigo 57.o Qualidade de arguido
1 - Assume a qualidade de arguido todo aquele contra quem for deduzida acusação ou requerida instrução num processo penal.
2 - A qualidade de arguido conserva-se durante todo o decurso do processo.
3 - É correspondentemente aplicável o disposto nos n.os 2, 3 e 4 do artigo seguinte.
http://paulosantos-adv.planetaclix.pt/CPP.htm

2000 CPP:
Article 57 Status of defendant
1 - Assumes the status of every defendant against whom indictment is required or statement in criminal proceedings.
2 - The status of defendant is conserved throughout the course of the proceedings.
3 - And correspondingly applicable paragraphs 2, 3 and 4 in the following article.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2014, 02:19:50 AM by John »

ferryman

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #167 on: June 11, 2014, 07:58:27 AM »
Apparently not, John. If you're made an arguido, your status as such remains for the duration of the case (unless it's shelved).

2000 CPP:
Artigo 57.o Qualidade de arguido
1 - Assume a qualidade de arguido todo aquele contra quem for deduzida acusação ou requerida instrução num processo penal.
2 - A qualidade de arguido conserva-se durante todo o decurso do processo.
3 - É correspondentemente aplicável o disposto nos n.os 2, 3 e 4 do artigo seguinte.
http://paulosantos-adv.planetaclix.pt/CPP.htm

Yep!

That's what the Portuguese poster Stinky Sardine always said ...

stephen25000

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #168 on: June 11, 2014, 07:58:50 AM »
Apparently not, John. If you're made an arguido, your status as such remains for the duration of the case (unless it's shelved).

2000 CPP:
Artigo 57.o Qualidade de arguido
1 - Assume a qualidade de arguido todo aquele contra quem for deduzida acusação ou requerida instrução num processo penal.
2 - A qualidade de arguido conserva-se durante todo o decurso do processo.
3 - É correspondentemente aplicável o disposto nos n.os 2, 3 e 4 do artigo seguinte.
http://paulosantos-adv.planetaclix.pt/CPP.htm

..........and can of course be reinstated for up to 20 years after the initial event.

stephen25000

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #169 on: June 11, 2014, 07:59:56 AM »
Yep!

That's what the Portuguese poster Stinky Sardine always said ...

You've been swallowing too many pilchards ferryman. 8)--))

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #170 on: June 11, 2014, 08:13:10 AM »
And how many other police authorities who are looking for missing children search cars at their, often vast, borders as a priority ?

If your answer is as before how can you possibly claim the PJ were somehow derelict in their duty by not searching borders if you have no idea what the actual protocol is when a child goes missing ?
Perhaps you would be so kind as to highlight the post I made in which I claimed the PJ were derelict in their duty by not searching the borders?  And once you've done that perhaps you could answer my question regarding the length of time dedicated to the search for April Jones compared to, for example, the search for Madeleine McCann, many thanks.

ferryman

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #171 on: June 11, 2014, 08:38:40 AM »
Where do people get the notion that there was "insufficient" evidence against the McCanns?

There was no evidence against the McCanns ...

Offline Albertini

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #172 on: June 11, 2014, 09:30:17 AM »
Anyone accused knows whether they are innocent or guilty.

The police must have credible reason to believe a person guilty before a trial can take place.

In the Madeleine investigation, the police had none to suppose the McCanns guilty.

But no one else other than themselves knows whether they are innocent or guilty. And police forces the world over need something more than a solemn promise that they weren't involved.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #173 on: June 11, 2014, 09:32:15 AM »
The GNR and rescue services did try to find her in the early days, and the PJ checked out potential sightings (or asked their counterparts elsewhere to do so).

That's not the issue though. Once they had arguidos, the clock was ticking to mount a case against them before the deadline expired.

Amaral got booted because of his diplomatic gaffe in which he was fuming that the UK police were continuing to send in any potential other leads.

Ah, Yes.  That pesky old clock was ticking.

And Amaral did say that he was getting no cooperation from The Brit Police in his witch hunt against The McCanns.  But why did he need their help?  It was his investigation.  And anyway, he was ignoring what The Brit Police had to say.

stephen25000

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #174 on: June 11, 2014, 09:32:51 AM »
"I suspect."  This is English for "I think."


There is a subtle difference between ''I think''  and blind faith in the mccanns.

They after all are totally responsible for leaving Madeleine and her siblings in the apartment.

As to the rest 'type of crime unknown'.

ferryman

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #175 on: June 11, 2014, 09:34:08 AM »
But no one else other than themselves knows whether they are innocent or guilty. And police forces the world over need something more than a solemn promise that they weren't involved.

Such as proper detective work, largely (but not exclusively) lacking under Amaral.

Offline Albertini

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #176 on: June 11, 2014, 09:36:21 AM »
Such as proper detective work, largely (but not exclusively) lacking under Amaral.

or proper detective work hindered by the last people to see the child alive refusing to assist the investigation.

stephen25000

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #177 on: June 11, 2014, 09:40:36 AM »
You accused me of making an "Unproven Statement", which clearly, I didn't.  And my suspicions have nothing to do with blind faith.

Meanwhile, Albertini is busy moving the goal posts.

' And I suspect that I understand more about The Law than you do.  Including Portuguese Law.'

What you 'suspect' does not make it reality.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #178 on: June 11, 2014, 10:18:25 AM »

You do realize don't you , there is no evidence whatsoever linking madeleine's disappearance to a paedophile.

Just your imagination.

I notice your failed to comment on your 'cousins' remark which I quoted.  Why is that ?

Sorry.  We appear to be on different pages here.  I don't necessarily think that Madeleine was taken by paedophiles.  But knowing that there was one about could have resulted in an entirely different scenario, bearing in mind that this paedophile was breaking into apartments in the middle of the night.

In so far as my "Cousin's" remark is concerned, I tend not to place too much importance on newspaper quotes.  But I do suspect that if The PJ had tried to arrest The McCanns and put them on trial, then their lawyers would have stepped in.  Wouldn't yours?

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #179 on: June 11, 2014, 11:15:00 AM »
Irrelevant. Distraction and diversion from what was being discussed.

It was originally whether Amaral's "thesis" was credible or not... LOL

ETA: why do people refer to it as a "thesis"?
« Last Edit: June 11, 2014, 11:21:16 AM by Carana »