Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?

[Mr Gray]

      "All lies and jest,
       Still a man hears what he wants to hear
       And disregards the rest
       Ooh-la-la-la-la-la-la-la"

Simon and Garfunkle,  The boxer

some people have the intelligence to look at all the available evidence and reach a balanced decision

[Brietta]

And how can you be sure of that ?  At the end of the day we all believe who and what we want to believe.

Sometimes we are faced with unpalatible truth which we have to believe despite preferring not to.

If someone has an opinion and states that it is his / her opinion that is fine by me, as long as it is not designed to defame. 

The problem arises for me when that which is merely an individual’s opinion is presented as the fact of the matter.
I have some pretty bizarre opinions of my own on some matters which I would never presume to post as fact only as my own personal theory.

There have been many myths and fantasies posted on the internet about Madeleine McCann’s case which have been largely discredited when subjected to scrutiny.

In my opinion many of these have had their genesis in the pages of Dr Amaral’s book and is one of the reasons why he is being sued for libel, it will be interesting to find out what the judge’s opinion will be.

[icabodcrane]

Sometimes we are faced with unpalatible truth which we have to believe despite preferring not to.

If someone has an opinion and states that it is his / her opinion that is fine by me, as long as it is not designed to defame. 

The problem arises for me when that which is merely an individual’s opinion is presented as the fact of the matter.
I have some pretty bizarre opinions of my own on some matters which I would never presume to post as fact only as my own personal theory.

There have been many myths and fantasies posted on the internet about Madeleine McCann’s case which have been largely discredited when subjected to scrutiny.

In my opinion many of these have had their genesis in the pages of Dr Amaral’s book and is one of the reasons why he is being sued for libel, it will be interesting to find out what the judge’s opinion will be.

Can you be specific Brietta  ?

What 'opinions'  have been dressed up as  'facts'  on  this  forum  ? 

[Alfred R Jones]

Can you be specific Brietta  ?

What 'opinions'  have been dressed up as  'facts'  on  this  forum  ?

Sorry to jump in here but Peter Claridge yesterday asserted as fact on this forum that Jane Tanner never left the Tapas table on the night of 3rd May, that she never saw a man carrying a child and that the Oldfields' child was not ill.

[Brietta]

Can you be specific Brietta  ?

What 'opinions'  have been dressed up as  'facts'  on  this  forum  ?

I made no mention of opinion being dressed up as facts on this forum. 
I am of the opinion that is very much the case on numerous other internet forums and blogs.

[Mr Gray]

Can you be specific Brietta  ?

What 'opinions'  have been dressed up as  'facts'  on  this  forum  ?

What about luz today saying that the trial is not  a libel tial

[Brietta]

Sorry to jump in here but Peter Claridge yesterday asserted as fact on this forum that Jane Tanner never left the Tapas table on the night of 3rd May, that she never saw a man carrying a child and that the Oldfields' child was not ill.

Thankyou Alfred.

These are things I don't know as a matter of course without taking time to check through the files etc.
I reiterate that I am new to this and rely on posters making factual posts which they have carefully checked prior to posting to ensure accuracy.

[peter claridge]

Sorry to jump in here but Peter Claridge yesterday asserted as fact on this forum that Jane Tanner never left the Tapas table on the night of 3rd May, that she never saw a man carrying a child and that the Oldfields' child was not ill.

Have you got proof that she left the table and that the Oldfield's child was ill?

[Alfred R Jones]

Have you got proof that she left the table and that the Oldfield's child was ill?

If you present statements as facts it's up to you to provide the supporting evidence.  Over to you...

[icabodcrane]

I made no mention of opinion being dressed up as facts on this forum. 
I am of the opinion that is very much the case on numerous other internet forums and blogs.

Oh I see

I'm sorry,  I misunderstood,  I assumed since you said you were new to the case that you wouldn't be familiar with other forums devoted to the subject

We can't really do much about what is said in other places I'm afraid, and, therefore,   I don't think it serves much purpose to even discuss it to be honest ,    but when it happens here there is always the the report  button   

[Brietta]

Oh I see

I'm sorry,  I misunderstood,  I assumed since you said you were new to the case that you wouldn't be familiar with other forums devoted to the subject

We can't really do much about what is said in other places I'm afraid, and, therefore,   I don't think it serves much purpose to even discuss it to be honest ,    but when it happens here there is always the the report  button

I take your point that what is discussed in other places is not our concern and it is only relevant to discuss or criticise what goes on in this forum.

It is a good idea to sit in splendid isolation and talk among ourselves but it is impossible not to have opinions formed for good or ill by exposure to outside influences.

It is my firm opinion that this is the most balanced discussion forum on the internet and I recognised that almost as soon as I started reading about Madeleine’s case at the end of last year. 

Therefore it concerns me if discussion turns to what may be inaccuracies being put up here, which is why I joined this particular debate in the abstract.

So I defend my right to do that and only worry that Mr Moderator may decide I've strayed too far off topic.

[Carana]

Luz should perhaps inform the Portuguese press that this case is not about defamation (difamação).

Lusa

02/10/2013 - 21:48
Nesta acção cível, o casal McCann pede uma indemnização de 1,2 milhões de euros por alegada difamação do ex-inspector da PJ, que investigou o desaparecimento de Madeleine, a 03 de maio de 2007.

In this civil action, the McCann couple seeks damages over 1.2 million euros for alleged defamation by the former inspector of the PJ, who investigated the disappearance of Madeleine on the 3rd May 2007.

http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/irma-de-pai-de-madeleine-mccann-refere-que-goncalo-amaral-afectou-muito-a-familia-1607879


27 setembro 2013
A sessão na 1.ª Vara Cível de Lisboa, no Palácio da Justiça, acabou por não se realizar, por decisão da juíza Maria Emília Melo e Castro, após um pedido do advogado de Gonçalo Amaral, acusado de difamação pelos pais de Madeleine, Gerry e Kate McCann.

The session at the 1st Civil Court of Lisbon, in the Palace of Justice, did not take place, by a decision of Judge Maria Emília Melo e Castro, after a request by the lawyer of Gonçalo Amaral, accused of defamation by Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann.

http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=3445681


2013-09-27 19:25
Nesta ação cível, o casal McCann pede uma indemnização de 1,2 milhões de euros por alegada difamação do ex-inspetor da PJ, que investigou o desaparecimento de Madeleine, a 03 de maio de 2007.

In this civil action, the McCann couple seeks damages over 1.2 million euros for alleged defamation by the former inspector of the PJ, who investigated the disappearance of Madeleine on the 3rd May 2007.

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/maddie-julgamento-goncalo-amaral-gary-mccann-adiamento-tvi24/1494111-4071.html

[Mr Gray]

Luz should perhaps inform the Portuguese press that this case is not about defamation (difamação).

Lusa

02/10/2013 - 21:48
Nesta acção cível, o casal McCann pede uma indemnização de 1,2 milhões de euros por alegada difamação do ex-inspector da PJ, que investigou o desaparecimento de Madeleine, a 03 de maio de 2007.

In this civil action, the McCann couple seeks damages over 1.2 million euros for alleged defamation by the former inspector of the PJ, who investigated the disappearance of Madeleine on the 3rd May 2007.

http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/irma-de-pai-de-madeleine-mccann-refere-que-goncalo-amaral-afectou-muito-a-familia-1607879


27 setembro 2013
A sessão na 1.ª Vara Cível de Lisboa, no Palácio da Justiça, acabou por não se realizar, por decisão da juíza Maria Emília Melo e Castro, após um pedido do advogado de Gonçalo Amaral, acusado de difamação pelos pais de Madeleine, Gerry e Kate McCann.

The session at the 1st Civil Court of Lisbon, in the Palace of Justice, did not take place, by a decision of Judge Maria Emília Melo e Castro, after a request by the lawyer of Gonçalo Amaral, accused of defamation by Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann.

http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=3445681


2013-09-27 19:25
Nesta ação cível, o casal McCann pede uma indemnização de 1,2 milhões de euros por alegada difamação do ex-inspetor da PJ, que investigou o desaparecimento de Madeleine, a 03 de maio de 2007.

In this civil action, the McCann couple seeks damages over 1.2 million euros for alleged defamation by the former inspector of the PJ, who investigated the disappearance of Madeleine on the 3rd May 2007.

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/maddie-julgamento-goncalo-amaral-gary-mccann-adiamento-tvi24/1494111-4071.html

Luz has been posting things that are untrue for some time and that's why I felt it was important to highlight it. I can't understand why a moderator should then support Luz and claim she has superior knowledge...bizarre

[Cariad]

It is very important to me, jassie.

There are numerous forums on the internet where Madeleine’s case is discussed and truth seems to be the last consideration.
I am not only a Newbie to this forum, which I followed for a while before asking to join, I am a Newbie to the case too and am learning things as I go along. 

I do not want to be given false information. 

I want to be certain that whatever information I am being given is accurate to the best of the poster's ability and false information is a genuine error and not intended to mislead.
 

I'm in the same position as you, which in this case I think is a rather unique one. Most people have been interested since day one. It's only been a year, give or take, for me.

You quickly learn who you can rely on for accurate information. If in any doubt, check it yourself and don't be
afraid to ask for cites to back up a claim.

When I first joined here, the rule about providing links was enforced quite rigorously, which made it easier.

My first exposure was via a rabid 'anti' group. It takes some time to unlearn some of the myths, but you can be sure that if something is claimed that is untrue, someone from the 'other' side will correct it fairly quickly.

I still make mistakes and I'm still learning. 

[Cornelius]

There are 91 guests viewing this forum...I think its important to challenge posts that are untrue

Speaking as a former "guest" to this forum for a duration of 6 months or so before joining as a poster I would point out that as guests we were not dimwits or unfamiliar with case or incapable of our own research. Most guests very quickly work out the bullshitters, trolls, bullies, abusive and biased posters on this forum. Guests will not necessarily believe those who manage only single liners like "you are a fool" or "you are wrong"  " I am right and SY agree with me" etc as it contributes little of substance to the debate.