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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #390 on: May 23, 2014, 08:35:00 PM »
According to Amaral the conclusions rested on the proven facts and the evidence as interpreted in accordance with the principles of Portuguese Law.

that's amarals opinion..nothing more...and according to senior moderator who has read the book...the so called facts amount to nothing

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Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #391 on: May 23, 2014, 08:37:40 PM »
Well,  what you think Isabel Duarte   meant is neither here nor there  ...   I have posted what she  said

She did not say that Amaral must show he had  'proof'  that his allegations were true  ...  just that he must show he had good reason to  believe  they were true
How will he show "good reason to believe" then?

Offline John

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #392 on: May 23, 2014, 08:45:57 PM »
as afr as I know the final decision has not been made..perhaps the judge has heard enough

Perhaps the judge is waiting like the rest of us to see what the JCB's turn up in Luz.


that's amarals opinion..nothing more...and according to senior moderator who has read the book...the so called facts amount to nothing

There are many proven facts but an interesting one for me is the refusal by the T9 to take part in a reconstruction.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2014, 08:49:05 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #393 on: May 23, 2014, 08:48:26 PM »
Perhaps the judge is waiting like the rest of us to see what the JCB's turn up in Luz.

I doubt it vey much

Offline John

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #394 on: May 23, 2014, 08:50:53 PM »
I doubt it vey much

Why?  Is it not intrinsic to the case whether Madeleine is alive or dead and if dead how she was killed?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #395 on: May 23, 2014, 08:57:27 PM »
Why?  Is it not intrinsic to the case whether Madeleine is alive or dead and if dead how she was killed?

the judge has to make her decision on the facts as they are....How long would you expect the judge to wait...until the present investigation is complete...amaral can always go back to court if things change in the future if the situation changes

Offline John

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #396 on: May 23, 2014, 09:43:32 PM »
the judge has to make her decision on the facts as they are....How long would you expect the judge to wait...until the present investigation is complete...amaral can always go back to court if things change in the future if the situation changes

The judge will have contacts with the AG's office and will know very well what may or may not take place.  The geo-radar is moving in at the end of next week as are the dogs.  Watch this space!
« Last Edit: May 26, 2014, 08:35:36 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #397 on: May 24, 2014, 07:16:24 AM »
The judge with have contacts with the AG's office and will know very well what may or may not take place.  The geo-radar is moving in at the end of next week as are the dogs.  Watch this space!

Watch this space for what?  Not what I am thinking, I hope.  The anticipation getting scary.

Offline John

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #398 on: May 26, 2014, 07:57:53 PM »
Although some would like to pretend otherwise, the libel trial in Lisbon could be very much swayed by what is happening on the ground in Praia da Luz.  What happens in PdL in the coming weeks could change the entire perspective of the trial.  I am quite sure the two parties will be watching events with renewed vigour.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #399 on: May 26, 2014, 08:10:06 PM »
Although some would like to pretend otherwise, the libel trial in Lisbon could be very much swayed by what is happening on the ground in Praia da Luz.  What happens in PdL in the coming weeks could change the entire perspective of the trial.  I am quite sure the two parties will be watching events with renewed vigour.

Why?

Offline John

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #400 on: May 26, 2014, 08:46:45 PM »
Why?

Why?    Do you not realise that the alleged libel and the claim that the search for Madeleine was damaged by Amaral's book could both be dead in the water if remains are found in or around Praia da Luz?   First off, the discovery of remains will throw the entire investigation up in the air and secondly you cannot damage the search for someone who never left PdL in the first place.

These next few weeks are going to be very interesting.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #401 on: May 26, 2014, 08:48:48 PM »
Why?    Do you not realise that the alleged libel and the claim that the search for Madeleine was damaged by Amaral's book could both be dead in the water if remains are found in or around Praia da Luz?   First off, the discovery of remains will throw the entire investigation up in the air and secondly you cannot damage the search for someone who never left PdL in the first place.

These next few weeks are going to be very interesting.

the trial isn't just about damaging the search...theres defamation.

Offline Carana

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #402 on: May 26, 2014, 08:53:37 PM »
Why?    Do you not realise that the alleged libel and the claim that the search for Madeleine was damaged by Amaral's book could both be dead in the water if remains are found in or around Praia da Luz?   First off, the discovery of remains will throw the entire investigation up in the air and secondly you cannot damage the search for someone who never left PdL in the first place.

These next few weeks are going to be very interesting.

Really? What's the logic that would exclude that?


Offline Carana

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #403 on: May 26, 2014, 09:42:15 PM »
Why?    Do you not realise that the alleged libel and the claim that the search for Madeleine was damaged by Amaral's book could both be dead in the water if remains are found in or around Praia da Luz?   First off, the discovery of remains will throw the entire investigation up in the air and secondly you cannot damage the search for someone who never left PdL in the first place.

These next few weeks are going to be very interesting.

So are you saying that the judge of a civil case of defamation that has been going on for years is on hold pending possibly finding a body?

Seriously?

Offline John

Re: Luz declares the Portuguese libel trial is not a libel trial ?
« Reply #404 on: May 29, 2014, 08:30:00 AM »
So are you saying that the judge of a civil case of defamation that has been going on for years is on hold pending possibly finding a body?

Seriously?

Is it not relative to the entire case Carana?

Amaral has made certain claims based on his interpretation of the evidence which prevailed at the time he was removed from the investigation.  The McCanns for their part have denied those claims, accused him of defamation and claim he damaged the search for Madeleine.

I would have thought therefore that if the current events in Portugal and in particular the impending digs in Praia da Luz can reveal what really happened to Madeleine then this will have a very big input into the libel trial.

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.