Could a child really be buried so quickly and never be found?

[Albertini]

After 7pm at night?  On his own?  Carrying a bucket and spade? 

Apparently asking questions like these is a propaganda technique I use frequently - I apologise in advance to Icabod for annoying her.

Look, really can you stop all this misdirection gibberish and nail your colours to the mast and tell us how why where and when an abductor took the child and then buried the body in the same resort the child was taken from either in the maximum 30 minute window of the 3rd May or at any point afterwards.

I have told you why i believe an abductor could not do this.

You now need to tell the forum how an abductor could do this.

[Brietta]

I have no inside information as to what SY want out of the digs, other than to note that given the way this request has been approved it must be on the basis of some foundation based evidence.

If the PJ aren't going to let the Yard look at the bank accounts of suspects then they aren't going to let the Yard dig up PDL easily or on a whim are they?

I am still waiting to hear coherent and persuasive how, whys whens and wherefores of an abductor taking the child and dumping the body in the self same resort.

I've explained why i do not believe it would be possible for as third party abductor to do this.

Have you or indeed any of the McCann supporters pieced together something, anything, remotely cognitive to explain the digs?

All i've heard is an awful lot of misdirection and squirming from supporters.

I have given my opinion in other posts that this is all that NSY have been allowed to do because their other requests have been refused.

Half a loaf is better than none.

[Alfred R Jones]

Look, really can you stop all this misdirection gibberish and nail your colours to the mast and tell us how why where and when an abductor took the child and then buried the body in the same resort the child was taken from either in the maximum 30 minute window of the 3rd May or at any point afterwards.

I have told you why i believe an abductor could not do this.

You now need to tell the forum how an abductor could do this.

You have a very short memory.  I answered this question yesterday.

[Brietta]

Look, really can you stop all this misdirection gibberish and nail your colours to the mast and tell us how why where and when an abductor took the child and then buried the body in the same resort the child was taken from either in the maximum 30 minute window of the 3rd May or at any point afterwards.

I have told you why i believe an abductor could not do this.

You now need to tell the forum how an abductor could do this.

Perhaps you missed my post, or perhaps you disagree with the GNR assessment of the profile of the perpetrator of such a crime.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4070.msg150815#msg150815

[Silkywhiskers]

After 7pm at night?  On his own?  Carrying a bucket and spade? 

Apparently asking questions like these is a propaganda technique I use frequently - I apologise in advance to Icabod for annoying her.

Why does it have to be "after 7 at night"?

Why couldn't he have done it earlier?

No reliable sightings of Madeleine since 5.30, apart from all the shenanigans with old mate Dave in and out of 5a offering to "help" Kate care for her own children.....

[Alfred R Jones]

Why does it have to be "after 7 at night"?

Why couldn't he have done it earlier?

No reliable sightings of Madeleine since 5.30, apart from all the shenanigans with old mate Dave in and out of 5a offering to "help" Kate care for her own children.....

So Gerry wasn't playing tennis until seven?

[Silkywhiskers]

So Gerry wasn't playing tennis until seven?

I don't know.

No one knows the accurate timeline of that night, just the McCann timeline, which changes depending on circumstance.

[Montclair]

You're still not getting it. The abductor could only have done it after he'd taken Madeleine (after 9:30 according to Redwood) and before the alarm were raised by Kate at 10:00 pm. That's 20-30 minutes to get the child out do whatever find a burial site, dig a hole at least a metre long and 3 foot deep and then refill that hole. Anytime after that and there were people out looking for Maddie and the police were on their way

Then after the police and worlds media were swarming over the place it would have been impossible not to mention none sensual to believe that an abductor would then drive back to PDL avoiding the cameras and police and then start digging a hole and burying a child.

How many people carry shovels with them? And how could they carry a child and a shovel at the same time? If they had a car, that person would certainly drive away as far as possible to get rid of any body. It would be much too risky to do this so close to the resort. It simply doesn't make sense. JMO.

[pegasus]

The opinion of the Portuguese police suggests that the scenario of the body of an abducted child being buried close to the scene of the crime fits the profile of perpetrators of this sort of crime.  I would assume such a person would not linger while carrying out such a task.


37. In the hypothesis that the girl had been taken by someone and taking into account the time that had passed before the Guarda was alerted, it would be possible that she had been transported to a distance quite far away, further than any of the search perimeters, however the lack of any information about what really could have happened, makes it necessary that the decision about how to direct the searches, should be based only on the typology of the crime eventually in question and on the profile of the aggressor of this kind of crime, who would normally leave the victim in a place not very far from where she had been taken and who would in most cases bury the child. Within the theory, searches were made using an all terrain vehicle of the area composed of the Mata Nacional do Barao de S. Joao.

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm

Barao de San Joao is 7.9km away from apartment.
The upcoming ground searches will be looking, whether for extant shallow burial or some other evidence, as close as 120 metres from the apartment.

[icabodcrane]

Barao de San Joao is 7.9km away from apartment.
The upcoming ground searches will be looking, whether for extant shallow burial or some other evidence, as close as 120 metres from the apartment.

And there it is

For seven years the McCanns have been demanding that every corner of the globe be searched  ...  it needed to be an  'international search'  they  proclaimed 

Now the police are back from this  'world wide'  search  and are focussing on a  very little part of the world  ...  the  only  part of the world that ever really mattered as far as the missinig child was concerned ...    and that little part of the world is just 120 metres from the  apartment she was last seen alive in

The  relentless  'awareness campaign'  that generated thousands of sightings   thousands of miles away,     have brought the police ...  finally,  following years of distraction  ...  back to within 120 metres of apartment 5A

[Silkywhiskers]

And there it is

For seven years the McCanns have been demanding that every corner of the globe be searched  ...  it needed to be an  'international search'  they  proclaimed 

Now the police are back from this  'world wide'  search  and are focussing on a  very little part of the world  ...  the  only  part of the world that ever really mattered as far as the missinig child was concerned ...    and that little part of the world is just 120 metres from the  apartment she was last seen alive in

The  relentless  'awareness campaign'  that generated thousands of sightings   thousands of miles away,     have brought the police ...  finally,  following years of distraction  ...  back to within 120 metres of apartment 5A

Yes - the closest ANYONE has come to actually finding something in 7 long years...and her parents are nowhere to be seen.

[Carana]

The search and rescue teams were looking for signs of a live child, not necessarily evidence of soil disturbance. If earth had recently been dug up somewhere for whatever purpose, would one more small area nearby have attracted any attention?

[Carana]

If someone had wanted to dispose of a small body quickly, stuffing it in a rubbish bag and dumping it in one of the big rubbish containers would seem easier than digging a hole.

How thoroughly could 188 large containers in PdL and surrounding areas have been inspected by 5 people in a single day?

This inspection apparently took place on 7 May. Would they have been emptied prior to that or not?

12-Processos Vol XII Page 3183

TRANSLATION BY INES
12_VOLUME_XIIa_Page_3183
Service Information

2007/05/07

To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

From: J. C. Franco, Inspector


Subject: Verification of Rubbish Containers


I hereby bring to your notice, that on this date, I the undersigned, together with Inspector Luis Piedade as well as three employees from the Lagos Municipal Chamber, responsible for rubbish collection from Praia da Luz, went to P da L and carried out a detailed check of all the rubbish containers in the area, including the underground containers, as well as in surrounding areas, a total of 188 containers were checked, nothing was found of interest to the NUIPC 201.07 OGALGS investigation.

Signed


Inspector J.C. Franco


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUBBISH.htm

[Albertini]

I have given my opinion in other posts that this is all that NSY have been allowed to do because their other requests have been refused.

Half a loaf is better than none.

So you think the PJ would agree to dig up a resort just because they have refused to let the Yard check some burglars houses and bank accounts?

Haha! That's funny, it's nonsense of course but funny nonesense.

[Albertini]

You have a very short memory.  I answered this question yesterday.

Is that the answer where an abductor kept the child near to PDL for days/weeks/months then returned to the scene of the crime at some point in the future to bury the child out of choice right at the epicentre of the investigation?

Is that the answer you're clinging to?