Was Sheila Seen In The Kichen By EP?

[Anna]

Do you think if the glass shade was broken by a flying gun-but it would have broken everything, so perhaps the shade was hit by a bullet casing?

The glass used back then for lampshades was very thin. I think a bullet case is a possibility. Especially if it bounced off something. Cereal bowl?  Depends where the shooter was positioned as well, I suppose.

I suspect that we are off topic now.

[Passer-by]

Not entirely:  glass on the floor and not on Sheila's feet was given as a reason precluding her from both murdering Nevill and from being seen in the kitchen, and it seems odd the shade broke due to a struggle but the bulb didn't but it means that with the light on yes, they could have quite easily seen Sheila if it was possible she was alive.

[Anna]

Not entirely:  glass on the floor and not on Sheila's feet was given as a reason precluding her from both murdering Nevill and from being seen in the kitchen, and it seems odd the shade broke due to a struggle but the bulb didn't but it means that with the light on yes, they could have quite easily seen Sheila if it was possible she was alive.

If it was her in the kitchen, she could have had her feet covered at the time. I doubt if anyone who was about to commit crazed murders, would do so in their bare feet. However she died with bare feet. I thought that I read on here that there was blood on her feet?
Could the trousers on the floor be hers. If she had never undressed and the trousers were her own and other bits of clothing in soak, in the bin, she could have changed upstairs. I don't believe any shoes or slippers were examined.
I keep thinking about that poor dog, who apparently nipped at heels. How many men would be tolerant enough to ignore it?

Just found.....Ann observed that the coal scuttle was missing and saw the broken lampshade above the table.
We continued along the passage on the ground floor and turned right into the lounge, she remembered.

[Myster]

Crispy wasn't ignored by the police. He was found whimpering under the double bed and put in a cupboard temporarily so that he didn't interfere any further with the crime scene. However, Jeremy decided that he had no use for the poor dog and asked the police to get rid of it... he was frightened of it biting through the cables of his hi-fi and television!

[Anna]

Thanks Myster. I did read that he got rid of it.
To be honest, the poor dog must have been in a really bad state after going through all that. The police breaking the door down must have been his limit....Poor wee Beastie 

[John]

Thanks Myster. I did read that he got rid of it.
To be honest, the poor dog must have been in a really bad state after going through all that. The police breaking the door down must have been his limit....Poor wee Beastie 

Indeed, poor wee Crispy was Bamber's 6th victim.



Victims, Sheila Caffell (holding Shih Tzu) and June Bamber with Jeremy.

[Anna]

Indeed, poor wee Crispy was Bamber's 6th victim.



Victims, Sheila Caffell (holding Shih Tzu) and June Bamber with Jeremy.

Lovely photo, John.
Is that the same dog as the one at the time of the shooting?
I know that Sheila's grandma bought her a dog of that breed, when she was 11 ....just before she was sent to boarding school. If that is the same dog? It must have been very old. Sheila loved that dog apparently, so definitely wouldn't have hurt it.

[puglove]

Lovely photo, John.
Is that the same dog as the one at the time of the shooting?
I know that Sheila's grandma bought her a dog of that breed, when she was 11 ....just before she was sent to boarding school. If that is the same dog? It must have been very old. Sheila loved that dog apparently, so definitely wouldn't have hurt it.

I think that might be Sweepy, the dog Sheila had for her tenth birthday. (Those dogs all look the same to me!)

[Myster]

I think that might be Sweepy, the dog Sheila had for her tenth birthday. (Those dogs all look the same to me!)

... and ditto for pugs

The calendar's hard to read but appears to be either for 1968 or 1974 - April 7th fell on the Sunday in both those years, making Sheila 11 or 17 years old respectively, and the dog 1 or 7 years old. Does she look about 17 and Jeremy 13, (Sheila born: 1957, Jeremy: 1961) or do they both look younger?

I think it's definitely Sheila's Sweepy, but when he/she died June got Crispy for herself as a replacement.

[Passer-by]

Indeed, poor wee Crispy was Bamber's 6th victim.



Victims, Sheila Caffell (holding Shih Tzu) and June Bamber with Jeremy.

On the contrary:  I'd have thought if Bamber had a hated dog yapping round his ankles throughout the murder he'd have shot it there and then and one cartridge would have sufficed.

He was at boarding school and then went to the Southern Hemisphere:  there's no reason why he would have bonded with the dog.  I believe he asked EP to deal with it - they could have rehoused it surely instead of putting it down . . . ?

Some people don't have lives they can or want to incorporate a dog into.  A great shame Ann Eaton didn't ask to have Crispy.

[John]

I think that might be Sweepy, the dog Sheila had for her tenth birthday. (Those dogs all look the same to me!)

I think you and Myster could be right, I have edited the above posts on that basis.   

[John]

On the contrary:  I'd have thought if Bamber had a hated dog yapping round his ankles throughout the murder he'd have shot it there and then and one cartridge would have sufficed.

He was at boarding school and then went to the Southern Hemisphere:  there's no reason why he would have bonded with the dog.  I believe he asked EP to deal with it - they could have rehoused it surely instead of putting it down . . . ?

Some people don't have lives they can or want to incorporate a dog into.  A great shame Ann Eaton didn't ask to have Crispy.

You have to remember the plan was to incriminate Sheila.  You must also remember that the dog probably hid out of fear and was quivering in a corner somewhere only coming out to bark when she heard strange voices (the cops) in the house.

[Passer-by]

You have to remember the plan was to incriminate Sheila.  You must also remember that the dog probably hid out of fear and was quivering in a corner somewhere only coming out to bark when she heard strange voices (the cops) in the house.

Family Annihilators also often shoot the dog:  I thought it could be heard both by the telephone exchange and also by the police outside, outside barking incessantly until shortly before the police entered the house, when it suddenly stopped?

[Anna]

I think that might be Sweepy, the dog Sheila had for her tenth birthday. (Those dogs all look the same to me!)

Thanks Puglove