So what is the evidence for abduction?

[Brietta]

How many people saw others hanging around other apartments /buildings in PDL ?

Phone activity proves diddly squat unless you have corroborating evidence of entrance to the apartment.

There is NONE.

You obviously have not read the files if you need to ask that question, there are many instances there.

If the phone records prove 'diddly squat' why did the original investigators spend so much time on the Drs' McCann and their friends' calls which they and internet 'investigators' have spent an inordinate amount of time analysing.
They missed the connections Heri (without recourse to their resources)and the Met spotted.

There is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest apartment 5a was under surveillance before and during the McCann family occupancy.
Whether this was for the purposes of burglary or other nefarious activity such as entering the property as in the cases highlighted by the Met where children were assaulted, could only be known if they had been properly investigated.

Where is the proof burglaries were rife in the environs of PDL and the complex itself?  it was being denied until fairly recently.
Where is the proof children were assaulted in their beds?  that too was denied

[sadie]

I see no actual proof at the moment that Portuguese officials are co-operating; we have no idea what is going on re. the letters of request, but we have been told to expect the long haul.

You have absolutely no idea what the Met have or have not found ... stupid of you to bang on about it.

If there is evidence of staged abduction involving Madeleine's parents and their friends ... why aren't they in jail?
Quite simply ... there is none.

But there sure is evidence that Madeleine McCann was abducted ... which is why the PJ and the Met are looking for the perp/s ... and IMO they probably know exactly who it is they would like to help them with their inquiries ... and it ain't the Drs McCann.

But I think most sensible folk have worked that out already.

 
Good sound post Brietta.

[sadie]

You obviously have not read the files if you need to ask that question, there are many instances there.

If the phone records prove 'diddly squat' why did the original investigators spend so much time on the Drs' McCann and their friends' calls which they and internet 'investigators' have spent an inordinate amount of time analysing.
They missed the connections Heri (without recourse to their resources)and the Met spotted.

There is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest apartment 5a was under surveillance before and during the McCann family occupancy.
Whether this was for the purposes of burglary or other nefarious activity such as entering the property as in the cases highlighted by the Met where children were assaulted, could only be known if they had been properly investigated.

Where is the proof burglaries were rife in the environs of PDL and the complex itself?  it was being denied until fairly recently.
Where is the proof children were assaulted in their beds?  that too was denied

Another good sound post, but then yours always are.

[pathfinder73]

2 blanket missing? Cig butts is hardly evidence. Tourists going out for a smoke. If a watcher was clever he wouldn't be leaving  cig butts with his DNA on

[sadie]

2 blanket missing? Cig butts is hardly evidence. Tourists going out for a smoke. If a watcher was clever he wouldn't be leaving  cig butts with his DNA on

Thanks Pfinder, I accidentally left this phrase off number 2 when I posted the extended list
**Please correct me if I am wrong on this **.  Post now amended.

The PJ missed the cigarette butts it appears.  So no forensic evidence even tried for as far as we are aware.

Pity 

[sadie]

Anna, we know you are sadie, who d'ya think you are kidding.

BWahahahaha

 *&*%£

Spammy, at least you are always good for a laugh.

[Brietta]

I agree with the misnomer of the thread … we know there is totally no evidence providing proof of 'nuttin' … except the fact that Madeleine has vanished.

[Anna]

I agree with the misnomer of the thread … we know there is totally no evidence providing proof of 'nuttin' … except the fact that Madeleine has vanished.

We would simply be going over the same stuff already discussed, regarding  suspicious watchers as in witness statements, burglaries, people getting in and out of windows which has occurred (mrs Fenns), some very rude, untidy and careless holidaymaker throwing his fag-ends on the balcony floor(would you believe it), phone calls pings, children sexually assaulted in their own beds. sexual offenders in the area, the abduction sightings, the missing keyes and the scream from Brancos....Just to mention a few.

[John]

Please Wonderfulspam, desist from causing any further board disruption.

[Wonderfulspam]

Please Wonderfulspam, desist from causing any further board disruption.

Ok John, since you asked so nicely, I'm going to dig the old PS3 out & go play a bit of Killzone instead.

[John]

Ok John, since you asked so nicely, I'm going to dig the old PS3 out & go play a bit of Killzone instead.

Everyone is entitled to have their say here but there is a point where silliness becomes tiresome to genuine readers and posters.

[Mr Gray]

Everyone is entitled to have their say here but there is a point where silliness becomes tiresome to genuine readers and posters.

Witness testimony is evidence...there is plenty of that

[stephen25000]

Witness testimony is evidence...there is plenty of that

What witness statements are there to the effect that a third party was in the apartment ?

[Mr Gray]

What witness statements are there to the effect that a third party was in the apartment ?

so you accept witness statements are evidence

[stephen25000]

so you accept witness statements are evidence

They are only of value dave if they are in relation to someone entering the apartment.

Otherwise the logic of your position is simple, anyone standing outside a residence at looking at it is there to abduct children and/or commit a burglary, and that is just plain ridiculous.

Rather like the notion of an adult carrying a child in their arms is evidence of abduction.