So what is the evidence for abduction?

[Brietta]

They are only of value dave if they are in relation to someone entering the apartment.

Otherwise the logic of your position is simple, anyone standing outside a residence at looking at it is there to abduct children and/or commit a burglary, and that is just plain ridiculous.

Rather like the notion of an adult carrying a child in their arms is evidence of abduction.

Why would any rational person think that someone walking along the street carrying a television had stolen it ... unless it was later discovered that someone had entered an apartment and stolen a television?

[stephen25000]

Why would any rational person think that someone walking along the street carrying a television had stolen it ... unless it was later discovered that someone had entered an apartment and stolen a television?

What a stupid response.

There is no evidence or proof, anyone entered the apartment.

[Mr Gray]

They are only of value dave if they are in relation to someone entering the apartment.

Otherwise the logic of your position is simple, anyone standing outside a residence at looking at it is there to abduct children and/or commit a burglary, and that is just plain ridiculous.

Rather like the notion of an adult carrying a child in their arms is evidence of abduction.

Absolute rubbish..witness testimony is evidence.....that is a basic fact

[stephen25000]

Absolute rubbish..witness testimony is evidence.....that is a basic fact

Witnesses for what dave ???

Someone standing outside a building.

For goodness sake, get a grip on reality.

[Mr Gray]

Witnesses for what dave ???

Someone standing outside a building.

For goodness sake, get a grip on reality.

The McCanns witness statements prove abduction...it just depends whether you believe them...it seems Redwood does

[stephen25000]

The McCanns witness statements prove abduction...it just depends whether you believe them...it seems Redwood does

Now that is total and complete bollocks.

You've excelled yourself tonight in pure drivel.

[Brietta]

What a stupid response.

There is no evidence or proof, anyone entered the apartment.

I think it is a reasonable analogy: just substitute the word 'television' with 'child'.

[Carana]

I haven't followed all of this thread, but I come back to the title.

What evidence of abduction would one expect to have been found?

[stephen25000]

I haven't followed all of this thread, but I come back to the title.

What evidence of abduction would one expect to have been found?

Well Carana, if any charges could be brought, sufficient evidence to indicate that abduction occurred  in the first place.

Motive, means, no alibi, etc.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Come on Alice, use your brains. oh oops  we don't have any. but to be fair  and I hate and loath to admit this we have something in common with the 'pro's

NONE OF US CAN SHOW PROOF OR EVIDENCE OF AN ABDUCTION. tee hee.

[mercury]

the official UK government line is there is NO EVIDENCE of an abduction


SEE LAST SENTENCE on second link (this trumps all those posters who say there is)

http://www.mccannfiles.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/foirequest141209.jpg&target=tlx_pic7gvj

http://www.mccannfiles.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/foirequest141209b.jpg&target=tlx_picxuro

[Benice]

the official UK government line is there is NO EVIDENCE of an abduction


SEE LAST SENTENCE on second link (this trumps all those posters who say there is)

http://www.mccannfiles.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/foirequest141209.jpg&target=tlx_pic7gvj

http://www.mccannfiles.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/foirequest141209b.jpg&target=tlx_picxuro

Not quite that clear cut IMO Mercury.

The same sentence also states there is no evidence so support  Madeleine or Ben NOT being abducted.

Quote

''were or were not abducted'.

IOW there is no evidence either way in both cases.

[mercury]

Not quite that clear cut IMO Mercury.

The same sentence also states there is no evidence so support  Madeleine or Ben NOT being abducted.

Quote

''were or were not abducted'.

IOW there is no evidence either way in both cases.

I did read the whole sentence, the point was, that contrary to what several people here post day in, day out, there is no evidence, and that is official

How that squares with DI Redwoods alledged claim that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger I have no idea (but he never actually said that exactly)

[Benice]

I did read the whole sentence, the point was, that contrary to what several people here post day in, day out, there is no evidence, and that is official

How that squares with DI Redwoods alledged claim that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger I have no idea (but he never actually said that exactly)

Yes he did. 

Quote from Andy Redwood.

We have conducted a forensic analysis of the timelines and there is clearly opportunity there for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive.
.
(snipped)

.........And it is our belief as experienced investigators - on the evidence - that that is a criminal act that has been undertaken by a stranger.
Unquote

Click here: Madeleine: DAYBREAK Interview DCI Andy Redwood April 27 2012 - YouTube

[stephen25000]

Yes he did. 

Quote from Andy Redwood.

We have conducted a forensic analysis of the timelines and there is clearly opportunity there for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive.
.
(snipped)

.........And it is our belief as experienced investigators - on the evidence - that that is a criminal act that has been undertaken by a stranger.
Unquote

Click here: Madeleine: DAYBREAK Interview DCI Andy Redwood April 27 2012 - YouTube

Yet they have found nothing.

What experience did Redwood have of 'abductions' ?

A 'forensic analysis of the timelines' means exactly what in these circumstances ?

Did it include Madeleine walking out of the apartment ?

Did it include other scenarios ?

Or were they told solely to investigate abduction ?

Witnesses were telling the truth ?

Do all witnesses tell the truth ?

As we know, the accounts were inconsistent.