So what is the evidence for abduction?

[mercury]

So Andy Redwood's a liar too is he?

Stop putting words in my mouth, thanks

[mercury]

You said he bleated about having leads but that they didn't have leads.  So, is that not lying in your book?

he exaggerated  them, end of

[Brietta]

Cops rule Maddie abducted
POLICE have finally admitted Madeleine McCann was abducted four years ago.


By Sunday Star Reporter / Published 18th December 2011


Her parents Kate and ­Gerry had fought ­authorities to accept she was snatched from their holiday apartment in ­Portugal.

But only now have ­detectives put in writing that her case is one of ­abduction.

The Met at first refused to release paperwork under the Freedom of ­Information Act on the grounds it would “adversely harm the ­investigation”.

But, after an appeal, ­police finally handed over details to the Daily Star Sunday last week after a wait of nearly three months.

A source close to the McCanns, both 43, said: “Kate and Gerry are pleased the police are treating it as an abduction because that’s what they have said was the case since Madeleine went missing.”

A Scotland Yard review of Madeleine’s case began in May after pressure from the Prime Minister and Home Secretary Theresa May.

Met police spokesman ­Simon Fisher told the Daily Star Sunday the terms ­allowed for “investigating any sort of lead” from ­studying the files.

A spokesman for the ­McCanns said: “We are pleased the review is ­making progress.”

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/226071/Cops-rule-Maddie-abducted

[mercury]

Tabloids are not a reliable  source

if you believe them you will believe anythng ie


http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1421582/thumbs/o-MADDIE-570.jpg?7

 

it's also a bad move to promote them Brietta, don't you think!

HopefullyTHIS factual post won't be"vanished" as my previous one was, sigh

[G-Unit]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-case-reopen-call

Scotland Yard is calling for the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance to be reopened, as detectives revealed there is evidence to suggest she might be alive.

Senior detectives within the Metropolitan police have been reviewing the Portuguese inquiry into the girl's disappearance for a year. On Wednesday – as the fifth anniversary of her disappearance approaches – police released an age-enhanced image of what she might look like now.

Madeleine, whose ninth birthday is on 12 May, disappeared from a Portuguese resort on 3 May 2007.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said he believed she was abducted by a stranger, adding that there were 195 "investigative opportunities".

Redwood said he "genuinely" believed Madeleine could be alive, though the team is following an equal line of inquiry that she might now be dead.

The officer is leading a team of 37 detectives dedicated solely to carrying out an active investigative review of all the evidence in the case.

They are sifting through 40,000 pieces of material, and within them Redwood said officers have identified 195 historic investigative opportunities.

He said the team was developing new information about what happened to Madeleine five years ago, when she disappeared from her parents' holiday villa in Praia de Luz.

"We are currently developing material which we believe represents genuine new information," said Redwood.

He said officers had carried out a forensic analysis of the timeline of events, and had identified opportunities when the child could have been taken in a criminal act.

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Dismissing conspiracy theories about Madeleine's parents' involvement, Redwood said he believed the girl's disappearance was the result of "a criminal act by a stranger".

He appealed directly to anyone who might know where Madeleine was to contact the police.

The Met team is working with a Portuguese review team in Oporto, which is separate from the original inquiry and, said Redwood, was as committed as Scotland Yard to getting to the bottom of what happened to Madeleine.

"The Metropolitan police service wants the investigation reopened," he said. But he added that the decision had to be made by the Portuguese.

The Yard team is passing its information directly to the Portuguese review team. Redwood has visited Portugal seven times in the past year.

The review was set up last year on the fourth anniversary of the child's disappearance after Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, appealed to the prime minister, David Cameron, for Scotland Yard to look at the case.

Redwood said: "We have approached the material with a completely open mind. We have sought to put Madeleine McCann at the heart of everything we do."

That isn't an answer. You said I didn't mention 'stranger'. i DID.

[G-Unit]

The only evidence for an abduction seems to be a very badly worded statement by DCI Redwood. Perhaps he meant to say he believed it was an abduction, but that's not what he actually said. He used the words 'we believe' but not 'we believe Madeleine was abducted by a stranger'.  He said 'we believe that that is a criminal act by a stranger'. He was referring to what he said just before that, that there was an opportunity in the timeline for someone to take Madeleine alive. So if someone took MM alive, that was a criminal act by a stranger, investigators believe.

Either the man was incapable of making himself clear, or he was fishing for information and had to say something.

[John]

Members should avoid speculation and confine themselves to the known facts. TY

[Mr Gray]

The only evidence for an abduction seems to be a very badly worded statement by DCI Redwood. Perhaps he meant to say he believed it was an abduction, but that's not what he actually said. He used the words 'we believe' but not 'we believe Madeleine was abducted by a stranger'.  He said 'we believe that that is a criminal act by a stranger'. He was referring to what he said just before that, that there was an opportunity in the timeline for someone to take Madeleine alive. So if someone took MM alive, that was a criminal act by a stranger, investigators believe.

Either the man was incapable of making himself clear, or he was fishing for information and had to say something.

Redwood's statement is not evidence of abduction...you do not seem to understand what evidence means...
AS regards fishing for information...simply ridiculous.
Every question Redwood was asked would have been arranged beforehand...as would have been his answers

[G-Unit]

Redwood's statement is not evidence of abduction...you do not seem to understand what evidence means...
AS regards fishing for information...simply ridiculous.
Every question Redwood was asked would have been arranged beforehand...as would have been his answers

Why have we spent so long discussing it then? Nothing else has been offered as evidence.

[Mr Gray]

Why have we spent so long discussing it then? Nothing else has been offered as evidence.

There is a whole thread on the subject...it's pointless going over it. Redwood statement shows that having looked at the evidence he believes abduction is the most likely scenario...as I do.

[stephen25000]

There is a whole thread on the subject...it's pointless going over it. Redwood statement shows that having looked at the evidence he believes abduction is the most likely scenario...as I do.

Beliefs are irrelevant.

Evidence counts.

Not one snippet worth a damn in this case.

I'm sure Redwood and his associates enjoyed there freebies to Portugal at the tax payers expense though.

[Mr Gray]

Beliefs are irrelevant.

Evidence counts.

Not one snippet worth a damn in this case.

I'm sure Redwood and his associates enjoyed there freebies to Portugal at the tax payers expense though.

Beliefs are at the centre of the justice system......see previous posts

[stephen25000]

Beliefs are at the centre of the justice system......see previous posts

People can believe many things.

it doesn't make them true.

[Mr Gray]

People can believe many things.

it doesn't make them true.

if the jury believe someone is guilty..it doesn't make it true...but it makes them guilty

[stephen25000]

if the jury believe someone is guilty..it doesn't make it true...but it makes them guilty

The  evidence has to be presented in court.

Now what do we have here ?

Redwood believes in an abduction ?

No witnesses and no trace of Madeleine.

No sign of abduction at all.