Author Topic: So what is the evidence for abduction?  (Read 168176 times)

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Offline Lace

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #465 on: July 05, 2015, 08:41:43 AM »
He was covering his arse in supporting the dog evidence

He was saying that Madeleine could have been killed in a burglary gone wrong.

In which case there wouldn't have been cadaver scent for the dogs to pick up on.

Offline Brietta

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #466 on: July 05, 2015, 08:51:15 AM »
Scotland Yard and the Polícia Judiciária are investigating stranger abduction in the hope of finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann.

What aspect of the failed initial investigation, led at the time by Mr Amaral, do you suggest may be helping them in that endeavour?
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #467 on: July 05, 2015, 08:53:47 AM »
Scotland Yard and the Polícia Judiciária are investigating stranger abduction in the hope of finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann.

What aspect of the failed initial investigation, led at the time by Mr Amaral, do you suggest may be helping them in that endeavour?

Have they found concrete indisputable evidence  of abduction ?

Have they found an abductor(s) ?

Have they found Madeleine ?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #468 on: July 05, 2015, 10:41:21 AM »
The only evidence for an abduction seems to be a very badly worded statement by DCI Redwood. Perhaps he meant to say he believed it was an abduction, but that's not what he actually said. He used the words 'we believe' but not 'we believe Madeleine was abducted by a stranger'.  He said 'we believe that that is a criminal act by a stranger'. He was referring to what he said just before that, that there was an opportunity in the timeline for someone to take Madeleine alive. So if someone took MM alive, that was a criminal act by a stranger, investigators believe.

Either the man was incapable of making himself clear, or he was fishing for information and had to say something.
He made himself crystal clear - "unequivocal" was the word used by the Guardian to describe his words.  Are they incapable (like me) of understanding what he said then? 

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #469 on: July 05, 2015, 11:15:24 AM »
I wonder what DCI Redwood meant by "195 investigative opportunities across a broad range of issues" ?
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #470 on: July 05, 2015, 11:28:12 AM »
I wonder what DCI Redwood meant by "195 investigative opportunities across a broad range of issues" ?
Perhaps the subsequent actions of Operation Grange hold a clue or two...?

Offline G-Unit

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #471 on: July 05, 2015, 01:41:19 PM »
He made himself crystal clear - "unequivocal" was the word used by the Guardian to describe his words.  Are they incapable (like me) of understanding what he said then?

It would appear so.
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Offline Brietta

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #472 on: July 05, 2015, 01:55:39 PM »
Have they found concrete indisputable evidence  of abduction ?

Have they found an abductor(s) ?

Have they found Madeleine ?

Investigation is a process of elimination.  You have not defended Mr Amaral's theory in any way or shown how it could be workable.

Obviously SY and the PJ have similarly discarded it and looked at what remains.

Criticising the present investigations and the evidence they are following without discussing an alternative solution seems just a trifle odd to me.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #473 on: July 05, 2015, 01:59:34 PM »
Investigation is a process of elimination.  You have not defended Mr Amaral's theory in any way or shown how it could be workable.

Obviously SY and the PJ have similarly discarded it and looked at what remains.

Criticising the present investigations and the evidence they are following without discussing an alternative solution seems just a trifle odd to me.

I have discussed Amaral's theory before, but then I might be libellous towards the mccanns, and that would

 never do, would it ?

As to the current investigations, I judge by the results, or in this case, lack of them. 8((()*/
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Offline Brietta

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #474 on: July 05, 2015, 02:25:58 PM »
I have discussed Amaral's theory before, but then I might be libellous towards the mccanns, and that would

 never do, would it ?

As to the current investigations, I judge by the results, or in this case, lack of them. 8((()*/

Hmmmm ... ok ... that would appear to be pretty clear.  If discussion of Mr Amaral's theory might be interpreted as being libellous don't you think that may be because it undoubtedly is?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #475 on: July 05, 2015, 02:32:03 PM »
Hmmmm ... ok ... that would appear to be pretty clear.  If discussion of Mr Amaral's theory might be interpreted as being libellous don't you think that may be because it undoubtedly is?

No, the theory of accidental death has not been disproved.

However, I've no intention of becoming a victim of the mccanns. 8((()*/ 8((()*/ 8((()*/

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #476 on: July 05, 2015, 03:00:32 PM »
Perhaps the subsequent actions of Operation Grange hold a clue or two...?
I am sure you are right. If only we knew what those subsequent actions were I guess we would be better informed.
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Offline Brietta

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #477 on: July 05, 2015, 04:30:18 PM »
No, the theory of accidental death has not been disproved.

However, I've no intention of becoming a victim of the mccanns. 8((()*/ 8((()*/ 8((()*/

I think the theory of accidental death and parental involvement has been well and truly discarded and I think the first competent investigation to do so was Rebelo's. 

Two other investigations working independently of each other have also discarded the original flawed theory.  So that makes it three against one.

It stands to reason these professionals are investigating Madeleine McCann's abduction based on all the accurate evidence they have to hand, some of which has come in post the archiving of the case.

So walked and wandered seems to have been put aside, accidental death also ... what does that leave?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #478 on: July 05, 2015, 05:08:00 PM »
I think the theory of accidental death and parental involvement has been well and truly discarded and I think the first competent investigation to do so was Rebelo's. 

Two other investigations working independently of each other have also discarded the original flawed theory.  So that makes it three against one.

It stands to reason these professionals are investigating Madeleine McCann's abduction based on all the accurate evidence they have to hand, some of which has come in post the archiving of the case.

So walked and wandered seems to have been put aside, accidental death also ... what does that leave?

Nothing has been discarded as far as I know?
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Offline Brietta

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #479 on: July 05, 2015, 05:21:40 PM »
Nothing has been discarded as far as I know?

So in your opinion Mr Amaral's theory about accidental death and parental involvement has not been discarded ??

I prefer to think the present inquiries are following the evidence to find the actual perpetrator of the crime and in my opinion that evidence seems to be directing them away from the mistakes of the initial investigation and towards apprehending an abductor.

If you think differently ... fine by me.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....