So what is the evidence for abduction?

[G-Unit]

If there was no evidence of abduction then why would the Op Grange remit include the word in its remit? I know you seem to think they were told to - but by whom, exactly - and why?

There may be evidence of an abduction, but we don't know what it may be. We only know what evidence was found in 2007, and there was none then. Hence we can't answer the thread title, we can only speculate and guess.

[Alice Purjorick]

The British cops have spoken about the sex attacks on the Algarve, yes I believe they have.  You are perfectly at liberty to disbelieve everything we are told by the Met and the press about this investigation if it makes things easier for you to maintain your beliefs - that's entirelyyour choice.  My choice is to trust the Met and to believe what they tell us via the media is broadly the truth.  I guess that makes me a clone or a sheeple or whatever term you want to ascribe to me to make you feel smugly superior.

I don't disbelieve everything we are told by The Met. but I take with bushels of salt what the press say The Met say, furthermore I believe that in press conferences The Met, in common with most organisations, will give expedient PC responses.
The last sentence is a rather strange thing to say considering I was only expressing a solicited opinion!

[Mr Gray]

I don't disbelieve everything we are told by The Met. but I take with bushels of salt what the press say The Met say, furthermore I believe that in press conferences The Met, in common with most organisations, will give expedient PC responses.
The last sentence is a rather strange thing to say considering I was only expressing a solicited opinion!

It's a matter of putting everything together and seeing what makes sense...it's called joined up thinking

[stephen25000]

It's a matter of putting everything together and seeing what makes sense...it's called joined up thinking

Indeed.

and the joined up thinking does not point to abduction.

[Mr Gray]

Indeed.

and the joined up thinking does not point to abduction.

yes it does...that's exactly where it points and both SY and the Portuguese agree

[stephen25000]

yes it does...that's exactly where it points and both SY and the Portuguese agree

Why ?

[Carew]

There appear to be two possibilities under consideration 1) that she was abducted and 2) that she was killed in a "burglary / abduction attempt gone wrong" scenario.  What other scenarios do you think the Met are actively considering and what is the evidence to support your belief?

Since no evidence has been revealed yet for either of the possibilities or beliefs you mention, the fact that it was felt necessary for the investigating team to refer to the possible removal of a corpse from the apartment seems to stand out.

I wonder what evidence there is to support the idea, otherwise why mention specifically a scenario in which Madeleine was possibly not alive when removed from the apartment?

I mean.......what`s behind the comment and why was it thought necessary to mention it in a case in which so little is actually forthcoming and wouldn`t it hinder the search for a living findable child coming from the present investigative team?

[Alice Purjorick]

It's a matter of putting everything together and seeing what makes sense...it's called joined up thinking

I have a natural aversion to folk who use buzz phrases,
It usually means they are trying to flim flam me.

[Alfred R Jones]

There may be evidence of an abduction, but we don't know what it may be. We only know what evidence was found in 2007, and there was none then. Hence we can't answer the thread title, we can only speculate and guess.

There obviously IS evidence of abduction unless you are of the opinion that Operation Grange, together with its remit,  is a complete sham. 

[ferryman]

. We only know what evidence was found in 2007, and there was none then.

There was no evidence (of anything except abduction) at the conclusion of the 2007 enquiry.

Quite true ....

[G-Unit]

There obviously IS evidence of abduction unless you are of the opinion that Operation Grange, together with its remit,  is a complete sham.

What is it then?

[G-Unit]

. We only know what evidence was found in 2007, and there was none then.

There was no evidence (of anything except abduction) at the conclusion of the 2007 enquiry.

Quite true ....

I look forward to hearing all about it, no-one has put it on this thread so far. No evidence at all.

[Mr Gray]

I look forward to hearing all about it, no-one has put it on this thread so far. No evidence at all.

evidence for abduction is on two threads...why should anyone bother to go through the whole thing again with posters who simply will not accept the truth. Redwood has said SY are looking for a stranger abductor...he has said this live on tv...but posters still want to pretend it isn't true...you don't understand head injuries and fatal accidents and refuse to accept the truth. Keep on thinking anything you like..it doesn't matter. We all know what both SY and the Portuguese think and they are not investigating the McCanns

[G-Unit]

evidence for abduction is on two threads...why should anyone bother to go through the whole thing again with posters who simply will not accept the truth. Redwood has said SY are looking for a stranger abductor...he has said this live on tv...but posters still want to pretend it isn't true...you don't understand head injuries and fatal accidents and refuse to accept the truth. Keep on thinking anything you like..it doesn't matter. We all know what both SY and the Portuguese think and they are not investigating the McCanns

It doesn't matter what any of us think in the end. Some of us (not all) think we know what the police are thinking and doing. Some of us know they're unlikely to tell us. Since chatty DCI Redwood went they have maintained a dignified silence which I find encouraging. Using police statements as 'evidence' certainly doesn't count.

[Alfred R Jones]

What is it then?

There's no point trying to identify the evidence for you because a) I don't have access to it all and b) you don't accept what we do know as evidence for abduction.   It matters not a jot what you will and won't accept though, as your views are of zero importance in this case.