Portuguese police took our girl into care because of the "Maddie effect.

[Martina]

Portugal doesn't have a very good record on child care, does it.  Despite their constant insistence that they do.

Better than the UK.

[jassi]

It is certainly the case that we have had a number of appalling cases despite the 'must never be allowed to happen again' mantra

[ferryman]

UK has a population of about 63 million

I think Portugal has about 10 million?

[Martina]

UK has a population of about 63 million

I think Portugal has about 10 million?

And? Compare the numbers.

http://ec.europa.eu/justice/fundamental-rights/files/missing_children_study_2013_en.pdf

2973 cases of the missing children in Portugal in 2012, 96341 cases in the same year in the UK. Over thirty times more!

[Eleanor]

And? Compare the numbers.

http://ec.europa.eu/justice/fundamental-rights/files/missing_children_study_2013_en.pdf

2973 cases of the missing children in Portugal in 2012, 96341 cases in the same year in the UK. Over thirty times more!

I was referring to paedophilia.

[Martina]

I was referring to paedophilia.

Let me quote your post:

Portugal doesn't have a very good record on child care, does it.  Despite their constant insistence that they do.

Where is the reference to the paedophilia?

But if you want some stats, be my guest.

http://www.sexual-offender-treatment.org/98.html
http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/uk-child-abusers-named-and-shamed/facts-and-stats-on-child-abuse/

Portugal, 2008: 285 sex crimes against the children reported.
The United Kingdom, 2011: 23,097 sex crimes against the children reported.

[Eleanor]

I am not referring to the number of cases of child sexual abuse by comparison.  Only to the constant insistence that things like this don't happen in Portugal because everybody loves children so much.  This is clearly not true.

Have they sorted Casa Pia yet, by the way?  How long has that been going on?  The last I heard only The Driver had been convicted.  And he certainly wasn't doing it all by himself.

[Montclair]

Smearing the whole nation?  No, just pointing out the propensity for the PJ to jump to the same conclusion every time a child goes missing.

Sorry, but the PJ was not involved in this case. Only the GNR was contacted and as no criminal investigation was deemed necessary, the PJ were not called.

The GNR were called as other holiday makers were concerned about the behaviour of the couple and the welfare of the baby. It was not as if the police appeared out of nowhere because they thought the parents were giving the baby Capol.

[Montclair]

I am not referring to the number of cases of child sexual abuse by comparison.  Only to the constant insistence that things like this don't happen in Portugal because everybody loves children so much.  This is clearly not true.

Have they sorted Casa Pia yet, by the way?  How long has that been going on?  The last I heard only The Driver had been convicted.  And he certainly wasn't doing it all by himself.

The Casa Pia case has gone to trial and all the defendents were convicted and they are now serving their jail sentences.

[Mr Moderator]

Sorry, but the PJ was not involved in this case. Only the GNR was contacted and as no criminal investigation was deemed necessary, the PJ were not called.

The GNR were called as other holiday makers were concerned about the behaviour of the couple and the welfare of the baby. It was not as if the police appeared out of nowhere because they thought the parents were giving the baby Capol.

Brits always seem to leave their brains at the departure desk. Conduct which they wouldn't dare partake in at home suddenly becomes their norm.

[Brietta]

Well we was pissed out of our 'eads an' not paying attention; how can that be our fault?

From the comments in the Algarve News

#1 Mark . T 2014-05-22 15:45
the hospital staff say the child is fine (and was always fine) ...
this is the giveaway that the whole case was 'fabricated'.

Our Irish cousins with young children here - Eire and the North - need to be aware that the recent Ellie Gannon outcome in being returned to her mum in Ireland after 6 years unnecessary stress ...... made Portugal look very silly.

As an image of a country - Public Prosecutors and lawyers conniving to frustrate a criminal enquiry to find the child kidnapped by her Portuguese dad. Fully aware exactly where the child was !!! Also the Portuguese judges repeatedly deciding against the foreign Irish mother.

Was the earlier Carcavelos case also fabricated ?

In fabricating this nonsense - are the Portuguese 'authorities' up to EU standards of morality yet ? This sort of event does not make the EU look good.
http://algarvedailynews.com/news/2375-british-toddler-released-from-care

[jassi]

From the comments in the Algarve News

#1 Mark . T 2014-05-22 15:45
the hospital staff say the child is fine (and was always fine) ...
this is the giveaway that the whole case was 'fabricated'.

Our Irish cousins with young children here - Eire and the North - need to be aware that the recent Ellie Gannon outcome in being returned to her mum in Ireland after 6 years unnecessary stress ...... made Portugal look very silly.

As an image of a country - Public Prosecutors and lawyers conniving to frustrate a criminal enquiry to find the child kidnapped by her Portuguese dad. Fully aware exactly where the child was !!! Also the Portuguese judges repeatedly deciding against the foreign Irish mother.

Was the earlier Carcavelos case also fabricated ?

In fabricating this nonsense - are the Portuguese 'authorities' up to EU standards of morality yet ? This sort of event does not make the EU look good.
http://algarvedailynews.com/news/2375-british-toddler-released-from-care

What exactly is  ' EU standards of morality '?

No doubt the UK has opted out, whatever it is.

[Brietta]

From the same comments section in the Algarve news...

0 #2 June 2014-06-26 19:35
what a Fiasco.....drun ken sods blaming the hotel guests for phoning police cos they were worried about the baby...and then blaming police and then portugal for their own disgusting behaviour.....s hameful
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Where does it say this person has first hand knowledge of what had transpired in the hotel?  Just another opinionated person of the type we have become so familiar with and who polluted the FB page of the Belfast Telegraph to the disgust of many.

It is to be sincerely hoped that the couple who were severely traumatised by their experience will take legal advice on the matter and do something about it ... should be an easy enough matter to check out the witness statements alleging they were trying to throw their daughter into the swimming pool from an eighth floor balcony, ... I expect the hotel will have confirming CCTV of them rolling about drunk as well ...

[VIXTE]

. I expect the hotel will have confirming CCTV of them rolling about drunk as well ...

I predict CCTV evidence is suddenly going to go missing..  and suddenly a next door to the hotel witness, who has several apartments for rent is going to pop up with a statement that they saw the mother throwing the baby from the window..
It is soooooo predictable..

[stephen25000]

I predict CCTV evidence is suddenly going to go missing..  and suddenly a next door to the hotel witness, who has several apartments for rent is going to pop up with a statement that they saw the mother throwing the baby from the window..
It is soooooo predictable..

As is your statement.