Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories

[trevor]

Goatboy - the over-dressed/hiding marks is something I've never thought of before.

On his way to a potential shooting didn't he stop his car to put on another cardigan?  Why was there another cardigan in the car in the first place   8-)(--)


....and all this on a warm August morning???

[John]

Goatboy - the over-dressed/hiding marks is something I've never thought of before.

On his way to a potential shooting didn't he stop his car to put on another cardigan?  Why was there another cardigan in the car in the first place   8-)(--)


....and all this on a warm August morning???

He tried to get the police to pick him up at his house in Goldhanger and when that failed he made a point of being overtaken by them.  All part of his plan to set up an alibi.

[Centaur]

Goatboy - the over-dressed/hiding marks is something I've never thought of before.

On his way to a potential shooting didn't he stop his car to put on another cardigan?  Why was there another cardigan in the car in the first place   8-)(--)


....and all this on a warm August morning???

He tried to get the police to pick him up at his house in Goldhanger and when that failed he made a point of being overtaken by them.  All part of his plan to set up an alibi.

It is obvious that he set the whole thing up.   The bit that astonishes me is that when he telephoned the police to report the invented call from his father that he was perturbed that the police were taking so long to come back to him yet he was able to telephone Julie at 3am and have a yarn with her before even attempting to summon the police.   For me this is all too suspicious.

[goatboy]

Goatboy - the over-dressed/hiding marks is something I've never thought of before.

To be honest when I read the police interview the first time I couldn't quite get what Stan Jones was doing by asking Jeremy about stopping to put clothing on. I think it was probably someone posting on here that proposed the potential significance of whether or not Bamber was "overdressed". Again, it is another piece of behaviour that would otherwise be considered bizarre which is not proof of guilt of course, though it does add to the overall picture of his guilt.

I would urge anyone with an interest in the Bamber case to read the police interviews (they're in the case documents part on this forum). The number of times he says "no comment" in response to simple questions to avoid incriminating himself is pretty telling (plus other times when he asks to speak to his solicitor privately or say something off the record). On the blue forum I read someone point out that the police were being so nasty to Jeremy in the interview. FFS, he was a murder suspect!! Why would they be nice to him??

[Padgates staff]

Lithium's off over on the blue, he totally cracks me up 

[Angelo222]

Goatboy - the over-dressed/hiding marks is something I've never thought of before.

To be honest when I read the police interview the first time I couldn't quite get what Stan Jones was doing by asking Jeremy about stopping to put clothing on. I think it was probably someone posting on here that proposed the potential significance of whether or not Bamber was "overdressed". Again, it is another piece of behaviour that would otherwise be considered bizarre which is not proof of guilt of course, though it does add to the overall picture of his guilt.

I would urge anyone with an interest in the Bamber case to read the police interviews (they're in the case documents part on this forum). The number of times he says "no comment" in response to simple questions to avoid incriminating himself is pretty telling (plus other times when he asks to speak to his solicitor privately or say something off the record). On the blue forum I read someone point out that the police were being so nasty to Jeremy in the interview. FFS, he was a murder suspect!! Why would they be nice to him??

Merry Christmas everyone.

A good point goatboy.  If he was wanting to genuinely help the police solve the murder of his family then he wasn't exactly being cooperative.  The only reason why someone would not cooperate was if they had something to hide.  I agree, it is very telling.

[puglove]

Message to the blue forum. Please stop using Sheila for your weird entertainment. It's disgusting and wrong. Show some respect for a young woman who was obviously murdered. Bamber's had 27 years and many, many opportunities to prove his innocence. And he still can't explain why he rang Julie before he called the police although, by his own admission, Ralph pleaded "come quick, your sister has gone crazy with a gun."

[puglove]

And, it might be Christmas, goodwill to all men and all that, but as far as I'm concerned you can stick any truce up your arse. I will not sit back and sanction bullshit. Bamber is a murderer, and deserves his shitty life. But feel free to chat about the family, and Julie, and the police suddenly being responsible for both shots. It's all bollocks, and you all know it.

[John]

And, it might be Christmas, goodwill to all men and all that, but as far as I'm concerned you can stick any truce up your ar... I will not sit back and sanction bullshit. Bamber is a murderer, and deserves his shitty life. But feel free to chat about the family, and Julie, and the police suddenly being responsible for both shots. It's all bollocks, and you all know it.

I totally agree Shona, Mike Teskowski has lost the battle and the slightest bit of credibility he ever had but you have to remember that he is fighting a lost cause now and has absolutely nothing to lose by spouting nonsense at this stage.

It's pitiful really watching a once credible forum dying on its feet.   

[puglove]

And, it might be Christmas, goodwill to all men and all that, but as far as I'm concerned you can stick any truce up your ar... I will not sit back and sanction bullshit. Bamber is a murderer, and deserves his shitty life. But feel free to chat about the family, and Julie, and the police suddenly being responsible for both shots. It's all bollocks, and you all know it.

I totally agree Shona, Mike Teskowski has lost any teeny weeny bit of credibility he ever had but you have to remember that he is fighting a lost cause now and has absolutely nothing to lose by spouting nonsense at this stage.

It's pitiful really watching a once credible forum dying on its feet.   

What is incredible is believing that a rifle shot to a young woman's throat can heal and not bleed while she runs upstairs. Has Mike never heard of blood pressure? I'll do this one more time. If Sheila was conscious after the first shot, she would have panicked, coughed and gagged. Her chin and neck would have been flecked with blood. Nothing.

[puglove]

And, it might be Christmas, goodwill to all men and all that, but as far as I'm concerned you can stick any truce up your ar... I will not sit back and sanction bullshit. Bamber is a murderer, and deserves his shitty life. But feel free to chat about the family, and Julie, and the police suddenly being responsible for both shots. It's all bollocks, and you all know it.

I totally agree Shona, Mike Teskowski has lost any teeny weeny bit of credibility he ever had but you have to remember that he is fighting a lost cause now and has absolutely nothing to lose by spouting nonsense at this stage.

It's pitiful really watching a once credible forum dying on its feet.   

What is incredible is believing that a rifle shot to a young woman's throat can heal and not bleed while she runs upstairs. Has Mike never heard of blood pressure? I'll do this one more time. If Sheila was conscious after the first shot, she would have panicked, coughed and gagged. Her chin and neck would have been flecked with blood. Nothing.

And she would have grasped the gun at the end of the barrel if she'd shot herself. To balance the gun. Where are those prints? When the police lifted the gun from Sheila's body, they used the trigger surround. Mike posted that.

Mike, you can he says, I says....it's all bollocks. And so f..king boring.

[puglove]

I am so happy that Bamber, the mass murderer, will never see the light of day. His arrogance has stood him in such good stead. Good luck with the bike shit, and the wet suit. Sorry you f..ked up the phone call. If only you hadn't ripped off the caravan park and hadn't planned the fire. You horrible loser.

[John]

And, it might be Christmas, goodwill to all men and all that, but as far as I'm concerned you can stick any truce up your ar... I will not sit back and sanction bullshit. Bamber is a murderer, and deserves his shitty life. But feel free to chat about the family, and Julie, and the police suddenly being responsible for both shots. It's all bollocks, and you all know it.

I totally agree Shona, Mike Teskowski has lost any teeny weeny bit of credibility he ever had but you have to remember that he is fighting a lost cause now and has absolutely nothing to lose by spouting nonsense at this stage.

It's pitiful really watching a once credible forum dying on its feet.   

What is incredible is believing that a rifle shot to a young woman's throat can heal and not bleed while she runs upstairs. Has Mike never heard of blood pressure? I'll do this one more time. If Sheila was conscious after the first shot, she would have panicked, coughed and gagged. Her chin and neck would have been flecked with blood. Nothing.

We all know that she never moved after that first shot.  She didn't even have sufficient consciousness to apply her fingers to the neck wound.  The forensics don't lie, we can leave that to Tesko and the disillusioned bamberettes.   

[John]

And, it might be Christmas, goodwill to all men and all that, but as far as I'm concerned you can stick any truce up your ar... I will not sit back and sanction bullshit. Bamber is a murderer, and deserves his shitty life. But feel free to chat about the family, and Julie, and the police suddenly being responsible for both shots. It's all bollocks, and you all know it.

I totally agree Shona, Mike Teskowski has lost any teeny weeny bit of credibility he ever had but you have to remember that he is fighting a lost cause now and has absolutely nothing to lose by spouting nonsense at this stage.

It's pitiful really watching a once credible forum dying on its feet.   

What is incredible is believing that a rifle shot to a young woman's throat can heal and not bleed while she runs upstairs. Has Mike never heard of blood pressure? I'll do this one more time. If Sheila was conscious after the first shot, she would have panicked, coughed and gagged. Her chin and neck would have been flecked with blood. Nothing.

And she would have grasped the gun at the end of the barrel if she'd shot herself. To balance the gun. Where are those prints? When the police lifted the gun from Sheila's body, they used the trigger surround. Mike posted that.

Mike, you can he says, I says....it's all bollocks. And so f..king boring.

It is well documented in statements that a police officer lifted the rifle by its strap before making it safe.

[goatboy]

Dr Vanezis in his statement seemed to think it would have been possible for Sheila to move and even walk around after the first shot. Unfortunately for the blue forum, regardless of what Vanezis says the photos show no evidence whatsoever that she did.

Also what the blue forum don't seem to get is that whoever did the murders went to a lot of effort to cover their tracks and make sure they were forensically clean. It makes no sense that Sheila would have gone out of her way to clean up after herself even if she could, given that she just planned to do herself in anyway. So even if Sheila could have actually committed the murders it is very unlikely she would have cleaned herself up. It is very unlikely she would have been so anxious to stop Nevill reaching the phone, knowing that even if he did call the police the response time would not have been particularly rapid so she would have had enough time to do whatever it was she planned to do. So if we accept it was either Sheila or Jeremy, who had the motive to stop Nevill getting to the phone by any means necesary in case it meant the game was up? Who had the motive to cover their tracks to make themselves forensically clean? The answer in both cases is not Sheila, so that only leaves one suspect.