Was Sheila's psyche and the twins care a factor?

[Joanne]

I don't believe the conversation took place, I believe it was an alibi to provide a backstory for the police.
I have previously asked about how big the family were and if Colin Cafell was in the picture. There were enough family members available for social services to be involved and Sheila was actively trying to come to terms with her mental state.
Jeremy tried to cover all his bases with his backstory, the build up, the reasons, Neville calling the police during the attack (like if Sheila was going beserk, he'd have time to make two phone calls, let alone one, surely you'd call 999 and just leave the phone running so the police could hear the commotion) and Jeremy accounting for all his movements.
Even Stefan Kizhco got out in the end because it was proven he didn't do it. If Jeremy didn't do it, he wouldn't still be trying to persue it after all this time, he'd have prooved his innocence by now and I'm sure with the developments of DNA and other techniques, something would be able to prove him as innocent.

[ActualMat]

I don't believe the conversation took place, I believe it was an alibi to provide a backstory for the police.
I have previously asked about how big the family were and if Colin Cafell was in the picture. There were enough family members available for social services to be involved and Sheila was actively trying to come to terms with her mental state.

I agree. It's a fake story. Discredited by Colin.

[Joanne]

It should say the family were big enough for social services NOT to be involved. They wanted to and were helping Sheila.

[Joanne]

When Sheila was first diagnosed with mental illness, she'll have been asked questions regarding her personal life and 'stress' risks. Sheila had gone through a seperation which won't have helped her mental state, themental health hospital may have been obliged to refer to social services who in turn will have come out and interviewed Sheila. So, they may well have been in the picture but social services look to immediate family to help in these situations, I've just had something similar happen to a friend, they (social services) try NOT to split families up where possible, June and Neville were upstanding people as was Colin Cafell, so it's unlikely they'd have taken the children into care.

[ActualMat]

When Sheila was first diagnosed with mental illness, she'll have been asked questions regarding her personal life and 'stress' risks. Sheila had gone through a seperation which won't have helped her mental state, themental health hospital may have been obliged to refer to social services who in turn will have come out and interviewed Sheila. So, they may well have been in the picture but social services look to immediate family to help in these situations, I've just had something similar happen to a friend, they (social services) try NOT to split families up where possible, June and Neville were upstanding people as was Colin Cafell, so it's unlikely they'd have taken the children into care.

I agree.Neither Colin nor the Bambers would have allowed the children to go into care.
It is a FACT that Sheila approached the social services herself.
They had provided daycare fostering in the past for the twins and this is what the Bambers were hoping to make use of again whilst Sheila worked at the caravan park.

I think this speaks against Jeremy. If Sheila had contacted the social services herself - why would she freak out when Ralph and June mentioned it to her, why would that make her kill everyone if it is something she herself had looked at.

[John]

I now understand why people on this forum believe Jeremy to be guilty.The fact is that Jean Bouttell confirmed that fostering was indeed being discussed,although I agree that we now only have Jeremys word for it that it was indeed being discussed on the evening prior to the murders.
The Bambers wanted Sheila and the boys back in Essex where they could help them.They wanted to give Sheila a job at the caravan park to keep her occupied.I doubt that Colin would have agreed to this but that would not have stopped the Bambers trying.They were used to being in control remember?

And it is a FACT that social services were involved at various stages with Sheila and the boys.There is paperwork and statements to support this.Sheila herself approached them,admitting to them that she couldnt cope due to her illness.

Just what I have been saying for ages.   

[John]

When Sheila was first diagnosed with mental illness, she'll have been asked questions regarding her personal life and 'stress' risks. Sheila had gone through a seperation which won't have helped her mental state, themental health hospital may have been obliged to refer to social services who in turn will have come out and interviewed Sheila. So, they may well have been in the picture but social services look to immediate family to help in these situations, I've just had something similar happen to a friend, they (social services) try NOT to split families up where possible, June and Neville were upstanding people as was Colin Cafell, so it's unlikely they'd have taken the children into care.

I agree.Neither Colin nor the Bambers would have allowed the children to go into care.
It is a FACT that Sheila approached the social services herself.
They had provided daycare fostering in the past for the twins and this is what the Bambers were hoping to make use of again whilst Sheila worked at the caravan park.

I have no doubt that Nevill and June would have died of shame if their grandsons had to be adopted.  They were very proud people and would have done anything they could to try to keep the twins with Sheila and/or Colin if possible.

I agree that interim care had been necessary when Sheila was ill and Colin unable to cope because of his work but long term placement was never a serious option.  Sheila and the twins return to the farm for a few days was to have been the beginning of a new start for them all but Jeremy Bamber rightly saw this as a threat to his future prosperity.

It was now or never he told Julie Mugford.




Ps..Lois, can you introduce yourself in the new members section please?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=3.0

[goatboy]

Interim foster care may well have been discussed at some point. However, I don't think this would have been a motivation for Sheila to go on a killing spree (especially given that Colin had custody of the children most of the time anyway).

[starryian]

I think we are reading too much into this issue. Personally I believe that this is a non-event - it didn't happen. This is another smokescreen by Bamber in order to point the finger of suspicion at his dead sister and 'prove' her culpability.
I look at it in this way. Since I believe that Jeremy Bamber is a congenital and pathological liar, it follows that anything he has to say is a lie. This conversation did not take place on the night in question, then or at any other time would Nevil and June have contemplated such a drastic move. They knew Sheila loved those boys, they were her whole life and they were all she had. Why on earth would they want to take them away from her?? It is complete nonsense that seems to have worked it's way in the case and indeed it's folklore when it reality it has no business being there, the same as the distressed phone call from Nevil and 'I left a fully loaded rifle out in full view' nonsense.
This is a small selection of the downright lies that Bamber has perpetuated and woven into the narrative to boost his claims of innocence - nothing more.