Why is it people always mix up the tapas bar with the tapas restaurant?

[pegasus]

I have read it.  I own a copy.

Where did you get the idea that I hadn't read it.?

And I know the reason you asked.

Pegasus, you may not be used to this, with a number of peeps on your side who blatently lie, but I endeavour to always tell the truth .... even if it is maybe uncomfortable to me at times.



I am in this to try and find Madeleine and the perp. 

Additionally I am campassionate and humane and cannot bear all the deliberate falsehood, hatred and injustices against The Mccanns, a couple who are almost without doubt completely innocent of any crime and have lost their much loved daughter.

Apologies I was guessing you hadn't read it and I guessed wrong.
The restaurant area has been I think accurately described as: "a canopied outdoor addition to the bar" (Page 52).

[sadie]

Apologies I was guessing you hadn't read it and I guessed wrong.
The restaurant area has been I think accurately described as: "a canopied outdoor addition to the bar" (Page 52).

It is a bit more than that.  Rather like a superior beach cafe.  It is rustic and free standing although quite close to the Tapas Bar.  I think it is a good sturdy building with additions that are temporary or adjustable.acording to the weather.  A pleasant place. 

I didn't examine the Tapas Bar but that seemed a proper building of a more conventional type.  I think that almost certainly it could be securable.  The bar and booze were in there so it had to be lockable, I should think. 

The building would unlikely be double skinned as in the UK, but I cant swear to that.  Maybe such detail could be gleaned from photos?  But sorry, I haven't the energy atm


Nigh night.

[slartibartfast]

It is a bit more than that.  Rather like a superior beach cafe.  It is rustic and free standing although quite close to the Tapas Bar.  I think it is a good sturdy building with additions that are temporary or adjustable.acording to the weather.  A pleasant place. 

I didn't examine the Tapas Bar but that seemed a proper building of a more conventional type.  I think that almost certainly it could be securable.  The bar and booze were in there so it had to be lockable, I should think. 

The building would unlikely be double skinned as in the UK, but I cant swear to that.  Maybe such detail could be gleaned from photos?  But sorry, I haven't the energy atm


Nigh night.

Why the travelogue? The restaurant was a shelter next to the bar, with plastic windows to close out the cooler weather.

[sadie]

Why the travelogue? The restaurant was a shelter next to the bar, with plastic windows to close out the cooler weather.

I was trying to give Pegasus a picture of the Tapas Restaurant and the Tapas Bar.

Why be rude?

BTW, have you been there? 

I have.


The restaurant is a deliberately designed structure, which is sturdy and which is rather nice to sit in.  It has a tree growing thru it, which is a nice touch.  One feels outside and on holiday in it.

[Mr Moderator]

Thank you for explaining the difference between the tapas bar and the tapas restaurant Sadie and introducing the new photograph.

This still was taken from a Sky News report by Martin Brunt and clearly shows the difficulties one might have trying to see through a plastic screen at night.



Martin Brunt sits at the same table the McCann occupied and points towards apt 5a.

[sadie]

Thank you for explaining the difference between the tapas bar and the tapas restaurant Sadie and introducing the new photograph.

This still was taken from a Sky News report by Martin Brunt and clearly shows the dffcukties one might have trying to see through a plastic screen at night.



Martin Brunt sits at the same table the McCann occupied and points towards apt 5a.

That is a very blurred and rather unsatisfactory picture.


However, I see what you are saying and it illustrates what (I think it was Matt) was statiing in one of the statements.  This was that the Tapas group could not see their patios clearly.  NO LIGHTING TO ILLUMINATE THEM.  He was generalizing and not talking about The Mccanns apartment per se.

The Mccann apartment was bathed in light from the adjacent across the road street lamp

More to the point is the fact that 5A is illuminated,  but is NOT even in the picture

What date was that shot taken?

[John]

Bathed in light is a somewhat exaggeration Sadie.  The street lights in 2007 were a lot dimmer than they are today since the light fittings were replaced by better ones.  The street light only reached halfway up the steps which led to the balcony and part of the balcony itself, someone intent upon entering the apartment could have easily reached it unseen by crouching down.

[sadie]

Bathed in light is a somewhat exaggeration Sadie.  The street lights in 2007 were a lot dimmer than they are today since the light fittings were replaced by better ones.  The street light only reached halfway up the steps which led to the balcony and part of the balcony itself, someone intent upon entering the apartment could have easily reached it unseen by crouching down.

I agree they were not as strong as they are now, or so we are told.

I agree that only part of the steps were illuminated but , sorry, I do not agree with you that anyone could have gone over that patio without being bathed in light.  Virtually all the pertinent parrt of the patio was bathed in light.  It was illuminated.

Also with the light on in the lounge area, the moment any one had opened that patio door and entered he had to pull back the curtain.  When he opened the curtain a shaft of light would have played on the railings.  That would have been very obvious.    A give away.     

BTW, there was sufficient light in the lounge for Matt to spend a short while reading the titles of some books.



The one place that no-one has thought of for possible entrance is the patio doors to Kate and Gerrys bedroom.  I dont think they were illuminated, but I would need to enlarge G,E. images very greatly to check.

Your mate Amaral, however, stated clearly that no intruder would dare go in by the main patio doors, as they were overlooked by the Tapas group at only about 50 metres... and illuminated.  Are you challenging him?



Seems tho, that he never even thought of Kate and Gerrys bedroom patio doors as being a way in.  No finger prints checked there, as far as I am aware.

If that is the case, then it all seems very slap happy and I have to scorn his sleuthing skills.  It would almost appear that he didn't want to know, dont you think?



I think there is little doubt that the front door was used both in and out.  So someone had access to the keys?

[stephen25000]

I agree they were not as strong as they are now, or so we are told.

I agree that only part of the steps were illuminated but , sorry, I do not agree with you that anyone could have gone over that patio without being bathed in light.  Virtually all the pertinent parrt of the patio was bathed in light.  It was illuminated.

Also with the light on in the lounge area, the moment any one had opened that patio door and entered he had to pull back the curtain.  When he opened the curtain a shaft of light would have played on the railings.  That would have been very obvious.    A give away.     

BTW, there was sufficient light in the lounge for Matt to spend a short while reading the titles of some books.



The one place that no-one has thought of for possible entrance is the patio doors to Kate and Gerrys bedroom.  I dont think they were illuminated, but I would need to enlarge G,E. images very greatly to check.

Your mate Amaral, however, stated clearly that no intruder would dare go in by the main patio doors, as they were overlooked by the Tapas group at only about 50 metres... and illuminated.  Are you challenging him?



Seems tho, that he never even thought of the bedroom patio doors as being a way in.  No finger prints checked there as far as I am aware.

If that is the case, then it all seems very slap happy and I have to scorn his sleuthing skills.  It would almost appear that he didn't want to know, dont you think?



I think there is little doubt that the front door was used both in and out.  So someone had access to the keys?

SUPPOSITION, SUPPOSITION AND YET MORE SUPPOSITION.

[pathfinder73]

I agree they were not as strong as they are now, or so we are told.

I agree that only part of the steps were illuminated but , sorry, I do not agree with you that anyone could have gone over that patio without being bathed in light.  Virtually all the pertinent parrt of the patio was bathed in light.  It was illuminated.

Also with the light on in the lounge area, the moment any one had opened that patio door and entered he had to pull back the curtain.  When he opened the curtain a shaft of light would have played on the railings.  That would have been very obvious.    A give away.     

BTW, there was sufficient light in the lounge for Matt to spend a short while reading the titles of some books.



The one place that no-one has thought of for possible entrance is the patio doors to Kate and Gerrys bedroom.  I dont think they were illuminated, but I would need to enlarge G,E. images very greatly to check.

Your mate Amaral, however, stated clearly that no intruder would dare go in by the main patio doors, as they were overlooked by the Tapas group at only about 50 metres... and illuminated.  Are you challenging him?



Seems tho, that he never even thought of the bedroom patio doors as being a way in.  No finger prints checked there as far as I am aware.

If that is the case, then it all seems very slap happy and I have to scorn his sleuthing skills.  It would almost appear that he didn't want to know, dont you think?



I think there is little doubt that the front door was used both in and out.  So someone had access to the keys?

Don't you know Kate had her back to the apartment? That means it was impossible for her to see even though she was so concerned at the table  8-)(--)

Gerry had his back to it aswell - are they taking the piss  8-)(--)

[sadie]

SUPPOSITION, SUPPOSITION AND YET MORE SUPPOSITION.

Oh Yeah !  Can you elucidate?

[sadie]

Don't you know Kate had her back to the apartment? That means it was impossible for her to see even though she was so concerned at the table  8-)(--)

Gerry had his back to it aswell - are they taking the piss  8-)(--)

We know that.  Old stuff,   Maybe they took it in turns to move around the table each night.  We dont know.

...... but they were a group of friends who would look out for each other.  Any changes and they would immediately alert Kate and Gerry ... or any of the others in the group as necessary

[pathfinder73]

We know that.  Old stuff,   Maybe they took it in turns to move around the table each night.  We dont know.

...... but they were a group of friends who would look out for each other.  Any changes and they would immediately alert Kate and Gerry ... or any of the others in the group as necessary

No chance of seeing anybody entering so your point about being able to see or not is irrelevant. The fact is they couldn't see nothing and didn't want to see! Being so concerned at the table (brown stain cleaning that day!) I would at least face the apartment. So many anomalies in this case. A good detective would have a field day.

[sadie]

No chance of seeing anybody entering so your point about being able to see or not is irrelevant. The fact is they couldn't see nothing and didn't want to see! Being so concerned at the table (brown stain cleaning that day!) I would at least face the apartment. So many anomalies in this case. A good detective would have a field day.

Are you making accusations?  Your double negative confuses

[Air Con]

I agree they were not as strong as they are now, or so we are told.

So, are they or aren't they?

If they're brighter now than in 2007, which you agree is possible, your comments about how good the lighting was when you visited is irrelevant.