Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.

[pegasus]

... I read somewhere, cannot really remember where that the cadaver in children due to low body fat and high muscle mass would develop much later than in an adult. This would even extend the time ...

Interesting. The only experiment I know of already indicates a long time, and what you say may possibly extend it further. And there is a live sighting much later than the one you mention. So this presents a scenario of time which indeed appears at first sight to be absolutely impossible. But IMO it's fairly elementary, there's a human false assumption in there.

[VIXTE]

Interesting. The only experiment I know of already indicates a long time, and what you say may possibly extend it further. And there is a live sighting much later than the one you mention. So this presents a scenario of time which indeed appears at first sight to be absolutely impossible. But IMO it's fairly elementary, there's a human false assumption in there.

Well.. we wait and see. IMO we now have two excellent teams both PJ and SY who are both very keen to resolve this crime.

[VIXTE]

No no no, you have stated as fact that the two police officers DNA (from bleeding) were discovered in 5A, where is this recorded ?
No more weasel words, YOU have stated a supposed fact, back it up or retract !

Mathematics.
Both dogs alerted there. If both dogs - that means blood. Lab tested showed DNA of Police officers to me meaning this was blood from police officers.

[stephen25000]

Mathematics.
Both dogs alerted there. If both dogs - that means blood. Lab tested showed DNA of Police officers to me meaning this was blood from police officers.

So you're an expert in forensics ?

[Mr Gray]

grime was honest enough to admit that the alerts had no evidential value without corroboration and as just about everyone involved in the case accepts maddie may still be alive...no one takes the alerts as conclusive evidence

[stephen25000]

Its not really important..grime has told us himself that the alerts have no evidential value..remember

Well you've got nothing to worry about, have you.

[Eleanor]

Eddie was flawed as a cadaver dog, although through no fault of his.  He had been used for too long in searching for blood and live humans.  And successfully.  This was his original purpose, and he was never going to unlearn that.

[stephen25000]

Eddie was flawed as a cadaver dog, although through no fault of his.  He had been used for too long in searching for blood and live humans.  And successfully.  This was his original purpose, and he was never going to unlearn that.

That is your opinion, but it certainly isn't everyone's.

[gilet]

There are two very significant differences at first glance between the way these two dogs are being used in PDL and the previous pair.

The first difference is that these dogs are being allowed to do their job with minimal interference from the handler. In PDL Martin Grime was constantly directing, re-directing over and over when his dogs (particularly the EVRD dog) was moving around. It is absolutely clear from the videos of the dogs in action this week and last week that the handlers are not doing that kind of thing. The dogs are allowed a much freer rein to search and wander as their noses suggest.

https://vimeo.com/97708837

The second difference is that these dogs are clearly being handled by uniformed UK police officers. It is my understanding having asked a working police dog handler that, when undertaking their work, dog handlers are supposed to wear their uniform.

[VIXTE]

Eddie was flawed as a cadaver dog, although through no fault of his.  He had been used for too long in searching for blood and live humans.  And successfully.  This was his original purpose, and he was never going to unlearn that.

I agree on this.

[pathfinder73]

Those dogs were very well paid for being excellent at their job. They didn't find live humans or dead pigs. They solved cases of missing people. You can't prove that the dogs were wrong and now they're looking for a body they believe the dogs were correct.

 A Team of Ulster detectives yesterday heaped praise on a heroic sniffer dog which helped them nail evil killer Trevor Hamilton.

Springer Spaniel Eddie, which was brought over from the South Yorkshire Victim Recovery Dog Unit, was hailed as instrumental in securing the conviction against the rapist and murderer.

 Hamilton (23) received what could turn out to be the longest prison sentence in Northern Ireland's legal history yesterday. He was jailed for life with no possibility of release for the murder of Attracta Harron.

 Speaking about Eddie's contribution to the investigation, a PSNI spokeswoman for the detectives said:

 "These dogs were trained to locate any traces of human remains. "Eddie was tasked to examine a number of cars parked in the secure compound at Strabane police station. "One of the cars was a burnt-out shell of a red Hyundai Lantra that had been seized by police investigating the murder of Attracta Harron.

 "Trevor Hamilton had admitted driving the car on the day Attracta went missing."

 DNA from a piece of cloth removed from the car for testing was found to be a one in a billion match for Attracta.

 Eddie was the first recovery dog ever to be tasked to examine a vehicle or scene that had been subjected to so much heat and water.
 
http://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/hamilton-trevor-william.htm

[ferryman]

Those dogs were very well paid for being excellent at their job. They didn't find live humans or dead pigs. They solved cases of missing people. You can't prove that the dogs were wrong and now they're looking for a body they believe the dogs were correct.

 A Team of Ulster detectives yesterday heaped praise on a heroic sniffer dog which helped them nail evil killer Trevor Hamilton.

Springer Spaniel Eddie, which was brought over from the South Yorkshire Victim Recovery Dog Unit, was hailed as instrumental in securing the conviction against the rapist and murderer.

 Hamilton (23) received what could turn out to be the longest prison sentence in Northern Ireland's legal history yesterday. He was jailed for life with no possibility of release for the murder of Attracta Harron.

 Speaking about Eddie's contribution to the investigation, a PSNI spokeswoman for the detectives said:

 "These dogs were trained to locate any traces of human remains. "Eddie was tasked to examine a number of cars parked in the secure compound at Strabane police station. "One of the cars was a burnt-out shell of a red Hyundai Lantra that had been seized by police investigating the murder of Attracta Harron.

 "Trevor Hamilton had admitted driving the car on the day Attracta went missing."

 DNA from a piece of cloth removed from the car for testing was found to be a one in a billion match for Attracta.

 Eddie was the first recovery dog ever to be tasked to examine a vehicle or scene that had been subjected to so much heat and water.
 
http://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/hamilton-trevor-william.htm

Giveth to the dog that which is the dog's.

And extracteth from the Handler that which should be extracted ...

There was never anything wrong with the (I gather now late) Springer Spaniel sniffer dog Eddie's nose ...

I don't think anyone has ever suggested otherwise ...

[pathfinder73]

Giveth to the dog that which is the dog's.

And extracteth from the Handler that which should be extracted ...

There was never anything wrong with the (I gather now late) Springer Spaniel sniffer dog Eddie's nose ...

I don't think anyone has ever suggested otherwise ...

Just admit it you haven't got a clue what you're going on about. Those dogs are well respected so I don't think Grime is losing any sleep over your pathetic games. Eddie went straight into the car and alerted in the Harron case which didn't happen in the McCann one so he was chasing the scent coming from the car. The police believe the dogs alerted to the dead body of the missing child because all the alerts connects to them and nowhere else. And cadaver dogs are being used right now in the new searches.

[Brietta]

Just admit it you haven't got a clue what you're going on about. Those dogs are well respected so I don't think Grime is losing any sleep over your pathetic games. Eddie went straight into the car and alerted in the Harron case which didn't happen in the McCann one so he was chasing the scent coming from the car. The police believe the dogs alerted to the dead body of the missing child because all the alerts connects to them and nowhere else. And cadaver dogs are being used right now in the new searches.

In the Harron case there was no ambiguity about the nature of the crime which had been committed ...
Mrs Harron's body was found in an advanced state of decomposition some distance from the car.

[pathfinder73]

In the Harron case there was no ambiguity about the nature of the crime which had been committed ...
Mrs Harron's body was found in an advanced state of decomposition some distance from the car.

Yes I know super dog Eddie found the body aswell 

Constable John Ellis, said he realised the dog operated by his team-mate Martin Grime, a dog called "Eddie", a Springer Spaniel, had found something, because of his barking.

 He added he continued searching with his dog "Frankie" a Border Collie, and that when he approached Constable Grime`s position, "there was a distinct smell of decay".

 Constable Grime had told the court that as he searched the hedgerows and riverbank "Eddie" jumped into the stream and at one stage was being swept away by the current.

 However, the dog managed to swim back up and jumped unto a pile of stones on the further bank and started barking.

 "I immediately noted that he had found something and I made my way to the bank and saw what he had found," said Constable Grime.