Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.

[Martina]

I haven't got a clue about stupid religious claptrap...you are quite correct...[ offensive comment removed ]...you are religious no doubt..as corpses are left in churches there is bound to be some cross contamination

The corpses are left in churches, yes. But they lie in the caskets. Closed caskets. The priest has no reason to open it.

[Mr Gray]

The corpses are left in churches, yes. But they lie in the caskets. Closed caskets. The priest has no reason to open it.

there would bound to be contamination on the outside of the casket

[Martina]

there would bound to be contamination on the outside of the casket

You think that the priests polish the casket lid with their robes, or throw themselves on it? By praying near the casket the priest wouldn't get contaminated.

[Mr Gray]

Let us take your post on it's individual merits -

 I haven't got a clue about stupid religious claptrap. Then why introduce it into the debate ?
 religion is for idiots... I don't concur with your assertion !
 You are religious no doubt. Nope, I'm agnostic !
As corpses are left in churches there is bound to be some cross contamination. No, you are so so wrong on this quote !
You are quite right. Yes, I am, thank you !

contamination is obvious

[Martina]

contamination is obvious

Even if the priest in question never set his foot inside of the 5A apartment?

[Brietta]

From where do you get this info? Pre-funeral visitations used to take place in the house of the person deceased, now they take place in the funeral homes. The casket is taken out from the funeral home and brought to the church in the day of the funeral.

Interesting statement. 
"The casket is taken out from the funeral home and brought to the church in the day of the funeral."

So when was it exactly that Madeleine's parents managed to retrieve her body from where ever, smuggle her into the church, unscrew the coffin lid, place madeleine inside, screw the lid back down and make their exit without anyone noticing?  Job done.

On the day of the funeral as you claim, there was absolutely no chance of that.
As there was absolutely no chance that the smell of death emanating from a month old corpse would not have required an Eddie to notice it.

If the coffin had lain in the church over night ... in a town crawling with media and journalists who no doubt knew the parents visited the church ... how could it have been accomplished?  Bearing in mind that the smell would be even more overpowering.

More interesting ... why is it only now that Dr Amaral is suggesting this as a theory?  is it because the lines the new investigations are following quite obviously owe nothing to his original theory, so he felt the need to invent a new one?

[Mr Gray]

Even if the priest in question never set his foot inside of the 5A apartment?

mccans were in the church..grime said there were several cross contamination scenarios...this could be one

[Martina]

mccans were in the church..grime said there were several cross contamination scenarios...this could be one

So how comes the second flat the McCanns resided in was not contaminated, in spite of the priest walking inside? An how the 5A apartment could have been contaminated by the McCanns, who got contaminated attending church, when they got transferred to 4H on 4th May and they weren't attending the church in Praia before Maddie went missing?

[pathfinder73]

Interesting statement. 
"The casket is taken out from the funeral home and brought to the church in the day of the funeral."

So when was it exactly that Madeleine's parents managed to retrieve her body from where ever, smuggle her into the church, unscrew the coffin lid, place madeleine inside, screw the lid back down and make their exit without anyone noticing?  Job done.

On the day of the funeral as you claim, there was absolutely no chance of that.
As there was absolutely no chance that the smell of death emanating from a month old corpse would not have required an Eddie to notice it.

If the coffin had lain in the church over night ... in a town crawling with media and journalists who no doubt knew the parents visited the church ... how could it have been accomplished?  Bearing in mind that the smell would be even more overpowering.

More interesting ... why is it only now that Dr Amaral is suggesting this as a theory?  is it because the lines the new investigations are following quite obviously owe nothing to his original theory, so he felt the need to invent a new one?

I think the scenario would be coffin is brought to the church on SAT 2 JUNE for people to pay their respects at the church.

Somebody with a key could enter the church at 4am on SUN 3 JUNE without anybody knowing about it.

Funeral/Cremation takes place later that same day.

[Brietta]

mccans were in the church..grime said there were several cross contamination scenarios...this could be one

There had been so many occupants of the apartment after the McCann family moved out that it could never have been determined categorically that any alert was as a direct result of their occupancy.
It was proved scientifically that blood traces had nothing to do with them.

As was proved in the Shannon Mathews case when the dogs alerted in homes where furniture had been contaminated, any of the occupants after the McCann family could have had a bag or a jumper similarly contaminated.

Mr Grime was well aware of these possibilities, but not even his professional opinion is taken on board by some.

[pathfinder73]

There had been so many occupants of the apartment after the McCann family moved out that it could never have been determined categorically that any alert was as a direct result of their occupancy.
It was proved scientifically that blood traces had nothing to do with them.

As was proved in the Shannon Mathews case when the dogs alerted in homes where furniture had been contaminated, any of the occupants after the McCann family could have had a bag or a jumper similarly contaminated.

Mr Grime was well aware of these possibilities, but not even his professional opinion is taken on board by some.

And contaminated a kids t-shirt, mothers pants and top but no other clothes that were tested.

[pegasus]

Well if they don't then why the need for a blood dog like Keela?

My amateur opinion:
Keela indicates where blood (human) is.
Eddie signals where a body (human) is, or has been.
(Yes I know that differs a bit from what the handler has said)

BTW Keela certainly does signal blood from live humans as illustrate by the valuable work she did in a stabbing case in the UK.

[Alfred R Jones]

My amateur opinion:
Keela indicates where blood (human) is.
Eddie signals where a body (human) is, or has been.
(Yes I know that differs a bit from what the handler has said)

BTW Keela certainly does signal blood from live humans as illustrate by the valuable work she did in a stabbing case in the UK.

My understanding is that they use Keela to verify what Eddie is alerting to (or not alerting to) ie: if she alerts where he has alerted then it's blood, if she doesn't then it's cadaver.  So, thtat doesn't solve the mystery of why Eddie did not alert to blood traces anywhere except on property belonging to the McCanns and in places they had stayed.

[Brietta]

I think the scenario would be coffin is brought to the church on SAT 2 JUNE for people to pay their respects at the church.

Somebody with a key could enter the church at 4am on SUN 3 JUNE without anybody knowing about it.

Funeral/Cremation takes place later that same day.

I have never known of a coffin lying in a church for that length of time.
I have never known of a funeral taking place on a Sunday.
Also, this was a church shared by two denominations each holding services on Sundays, so I doubt if a coffin would be in the church on a Sunday.
We have Martina's statement that coffins remain in the funeral home in Portugal and are moved to the church on the day of the funeral.

[Brietta]

And contaminated a kids t-shirt, mothers pants and top but no other clothes that were tested.

I am afraid we must give some thought as to exactly how these items became contaminated.