Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?

[pathfinder73]

LOL.  You quoted a report that was even older as "proof".  My article proves beyond doubt that a) Redwood and his team spent many man hours forensically examining the timeline and came to the conclusion that there was an opportunity forMadeleine to have been abducted and b) that Operation Grange had already been going a year when Redwood made that statement.
Your "proof" that they think otherwise amounts to the illogical assertion that because they appear to be looking for a body that she therefore cannot have been abducted.  This is utter nonsense.   What is this "return her and bury her under the eyes of her parents" crap?  If she is buried on wasteland on the outskirts of town (where they are also searching remember?) then what leg do you have left to stand on?

You don't know why there are searching there so if they find anything it connects with what they know to bring them there. Anything found could change everything very quickly in this case.

[Benice]

LOL.  You quoted a report that was even older as "proof".  My article proves beyond doubt that a) Redwood and his team spent many man hours forensically examining the timeline and came to the conclusion that there was an opportunity forMadeleine to have been abducted and b) that Operation Grange had already been going a year when Redwood made that statement.
Your "proof" that they think otherwise amounts to the illogical assertion that because they appear to be looking for a body that she therefore cannot have been abducted.  This is utter nonsense.   What is this "return her and bury her under the eyes of her parents" crap?  If she is buried on wasteland on the outskirts of town (where they are also searching remember?) then what leg do you have left to stand on?

Actually DCI Redwood was being interviewed when he said:   

Quote:   We have conducted a forensic analysis of the timelines and there is clearly opportunity for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive''  End quote

I'm sure the video of that interview will still be on Youtube.

[Alfred R Jones]

You don't know why there are searching there so if they find anything it connects with what they know to bring them there. Anything found could change everything very quickly in this case.

So you would agree therefore that the act of searching PdL does not in any way prove or even suggest that Scotland Yard have abandoned the abduction theory, correct?

[jassi]

So you would agree therefore that the act of searching PdL does not in any way prove or even suggest that Scotland Yard have abandoned the abduction theory, correct?

I think they may have learned to multi-task 

[pathfinder73]

Actually DCI Redwood was being interviewed when he said:   

Quote:   We have conducted a forensic analysis of the timelines and there is clearly opportunity for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive''  End quote

I'm sure the video of that interview will still be on Youtube.

There was a small window of opportunity but nothing adds up to believe that happened. That was the strangest abductor in the world if he existed who had a weird habit of leaving doors half-open, raising noisy shutters and opening windows facing the world for no logical reason when the front door was hidden. A realistic crime scene would have Madeleine's bed in a mess and a wide open door where he left though and not an open window that was never used 8-)(--) The abductor is in and out as quick as possible and has a getaway vehicle ready to go. He is not RUDE Smithman running for his life.

[pathfinder73]

So you would agree therefore that the act of searching PdL does not in any way prove or even suggest that Scotland Yard have abandoned the abduction theory, correct?

Only SY know that not me.

[Alfred R Jones]

Only SY know that not me.

Thank you.  And so any assumption that they have abandoned the abduction theory is just that - an assumption, based on little more than wishful thinking.

[pathfinder73]

Thank you.  And so any assumption that they have abandoned the abduction theory is just that - an assumption, based on little more than wishful thinking.

My theory is based on a lot more that wishful thinking. I've connected the contradictions in statements and facts from witness statements to form my own theory. Everything has to be explained and connect on a precise timeline.

[Alfred R Jones]

My theory is based on a lot more that wishful thinking. I've connected the contradictions in statements and facts from witness statements to form my own theory. Everything has to connect on a precise timeline.

Erm...you've drifted from the point somewhat.  The point is that Scotland Yard's search of PdL does not indicate that they have abandoned the abduction theory - correct? 

And with respect, I'll take the professionals' theories over yours any day.  Why?  Because they are trained, have years of dealing with criminal investigations, but above all else have way more information about this case and greater access to the key protagonists of this case than you will ever, ever have. 

[pathfinder73]

Erm...you've drifted from the point somewhat.  The point is that Scotland Yard's search of PdL does not indicate that they have abandoned the abduction theory - correct? 

And with respect, I'll take the professionals' theories over yours any day.  Why?  Because they are trained, have years of dealing with criminal investigations, but above all else have way more information about this case and greater access to the key protagonists of this case than you will ever, ever have. 

No it doesn't mean they have abandoned the abduction theory but if they find anything that could quickly change. SY have a lot more evidence to look at than I but my theory is based on the official files.

[Alfred R Jones]

No it doesn't mean they have abandoned the abduction theory but if they find anything that could quickly change. SY have a lot more evidence to look at than I but my theory is based on the official files.

Sense at last - hurrah!

[jassi]

I find it difficult to believe that all 30+ detectives are pursuing  the same single hypothetical line of investigation.

PS. I know they are not all detectives and that some are support staff.

[pathfinder73]

I find it difficult to believe that all 30+ detectives are pursuing  the same single hypothetical line of investigation.

That makes sense - different teams to cover all possibilities.

[Benice]

There was a small window of opportunity but nothing adds up to believe that happened. That was the strangest abductor in the world if he existed who had a weird habit of leaving doors half-open, raising noisy shutters and opening windows facing the world for no logical reason when the front door was hidden. A realistic crime scene would have Madeleine's bed in a mess and a wide open door where he left though and not a open window that was never used 8-)(--) The abductor is in and out as quick as possible and has a getaway vehicle ready to go. He is not RUDE Smithman running for his life.

So after conducting a forensic analysis of the timelines - in which all possible variations of what could have happened would be taken into consideration - SY - the experts - are still wrong?

The only thing that has changed since that statement was made is that now that Tannerman has almost certainly been identified, the opportunities for an abductor to take Madeleine are even greater than before.

There are several logical reasons why the window/shutters were opened - all of which have been posted before but all of which you apparently have chosen to ignore.

1.  As a means of a sharp exit if disturbed, which via the window lessens the chances of 'confrontation' with anyone coming in via the patio doors.

2.  As a means of checking that no-one was in the carpark - which could not be ascertained from the front door -without actually walking a couple of metres outside it and so risk being caught in the act of abducting Madeleine by someone in the carpark.

3. To take attention away from the fact that a key to the front door may have been used.

What is illogical about any of those reasons?

(have to go out now)

[pathfinder73]

So after conducting a forensic analysis of the timelines - in which all possible variations of what could have happened would be taken into consideration - SY - the experts - are still wrong?

The only thing that has changed since that statement was made is that now that Tannerman has almost certainly been identified, the opportunities for an abductor to take Madeleine are even greater than before.

There are several logical reasons why the window/shutters were opened - all of which have been posted before but all of which you apparently have chosen to ignore.

1.  As a means of a sharp exit if disturbed, which via the window lessens the chances of 'confrontation' with anyone coming in via the patio doors.

2.  As a means of checking that no-one was in the carpark - which could not be ascertained from the front door -without actually walking a couple of metres outside it and so risk being caught in the act of abducting Madeleine by someone in the carpark.

3. To take attention away from the fact that a key to the front door may have been used.

What is illogical about any of those reasons?

(have to go out now)

There is no realistic explanation for an abductor to raise noisy shutters and open that window in full view of the car park and that wasn't used according to forensics when the front door was hidden and much quicker to exit.