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Silkywhiskers

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Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« on: June 03, 2014, 03:47:14 AM »
Here are the FACTS -

Addressing now, and specifically, the question relative to the diligence known as the "reconstitution of the facts" (Article 150º of the Penal Process Code), which was not performed due to the refusal of some of the integral members of the holiday group to return to our country (as documented in the Inquiry), the same would have clarified, duly and in the location of the disappearance, the following extremely important details, amongst others:

pages 55 and 56

The physical, real and effective, proximity between JANE TANNER, GERALD McCANN and JEREMY WILKINS, at the moment when the former passed them, and which coincided with the sighting of the supposed suspect, carrying a child. It results, from our understanding, as unusual that neither GERALD McCANN nor JEREMY WILKINS did not see her, nor the alleged abductor, despite the small dimensions of the space;

The situation that concerns the window of the bedroom where MADELEINE slept, together with the jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5385.msg235690.html#msg235690 , which was open, according to KATE. It would be necessary to clarify whether there was a draft, due to the fact that movement of the curtains and pressure under the bedroom door are mentioned, which would eventually be clarified through the reconstitution.

. The establishing of a timeline and of the effective checking of the minors that were left alone inside the apartments, given the fact that, believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said individual, with the child, namely through a window with little space. It is added that the supposed abductor could only pass that window holding the minor in a different position (vertical) from the one that was visualized by witness JANE TANNER (horizontal).

. What happened during the time lapse between 5.30 p.m. (the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time by a person that differs from her parents or siblings) and the time at which the disappearance is reported by KATE HEALY (at around 10 p.m.).

Concerning the result of the diligences that were requested from the British authorities, as earlier mentioned, despite the fact that they were almost completely carried out, nothing new was added to the process and, consequentially, to the investigation.

The questioning of the holiday group merely corroborated what had already been established during the investigation, without any detail that could have been reputed as especially relevant being brought forward.

In conclusion, it results from everything that has been done, despite the efforts that were made and all investigation lines being explored, that it is not possible to obtain a solid and objective conclusion about what really happened that night, and about the present location of the missing minor.

On the other hand, it should be referred that this investigation moved itself under conditions of exceptional media exposure, with the publication of many "news" of imprecise, inexact or even false contents, which did not help, in the least, the discovery of the truth and created, many times, a climate of unusual commotion and of lack of serenity.

Therefore, as we do not envision, at the present moment, the execution of any other diligence within the process that might produce any useful result for the process, I submit it to your consideration, for you to determine whatever you may see as convenient.


So.  What part of that is in dispute?

No one knows what happened or when, that night
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2014, 08:25:12 AM »
This is pointless, here's the FACTS -

Addressing now, and specifically, the question relative to the diligence known as the "reconstitution of the facts" (Article 150º of the Penal Process Code), which was not performed due to the refusal of some of the integral members of the holiday group to return to our country (as documented in the Inquiry), the same would have clarified, duly and in the location of the disappearance, the following extremely important details, amongst others:

pages 55 and 56

. The physical, real and effective, proximity between JANE TANNER, GERALD McCANN and JEREMY WILKINS, at the moment when the former passed them, and which coincided with the sighting of the supposed suspect, carrying a child. It results, from our understanding, as unusual that neither GERALD McCANN nor JEREMY WILKINS did not see her, nor the alleged abductor, despite the small dimensions of the space;

. The situation that concerns the window of the bedroom where MADELEINE slept, together with the twins, which was open, according to KATE. It would be necessary to clarify whether there was a draft, due to the fact that movement of the curtains and pressure under the bedroom door are mentioned, which would eventually be clarified through the reconstitution.

. The establishing of a timeline and of the effective checking of the minors that were left alone inside the apartments, given the fact that, believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said individual, with the child, namely through a window with little space. It is added that the supposed abductor could only pass that window holding the minor in a different position (vertical) from the one that was visualized by witness JANE TANNER (horizontal).

. What happened during the time lapse between 5.30 p.m. (the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time by a person that differs from her parents or siblings) and the time at which the disappearance is reported by KATE HEALY (at around 10 p.m.).

Concerning the result of the diligences that were requested from the British authorities, as earlier mentioned, despite the fact that they were almost completely carried out, nothing new was added to the process and, consequentially, to the investigation.

The questioning of the holiday group merely corroborated what had already been established during the investigation, without any detail that could have been reputed as especially relevant being brought forward.

In conclusion, it results from everything that has been done, despite the efforts that were made and all investigation lines being explored, that it is not possible to obtain a solid and objective conclusion about what really happened that night, and about the present location of the missing minor.

On the other hand, it should be referred that this investigation moved itself under conditions of exceptional media exposure, with the publication of many "news" of imprecise, inexact or even false contents, which did not help, in the least, the discovery of the truth and created, many times, a climate of unusual commotion and of lack of serenity.

Therefore, as we do not envision, at the present moment, the execution of any other diligence within the process that might produce any useful result for the process, I submit it to your consideration, for you to determine whatever you may see as convenient.


So.  What part of that is in dispute?

No one knows what happened or when, that night.
All out of date now since Scotland Yard took over, performed a "forensic examination of the timeline" and concluded that there WAS a window of opportunity for an abductor to take away Madeleine.  Which part of what I just wrote is in dispute?

Silkywhiskers

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Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2014, 08:58:56 AM »
All out of date now since Scotland Yard took over, performed a "forensic examination of the timeline" and concluded that there WAS a window of opportunity for an abductor to take away Madeleine.  Which part of what I just wrote is in dispute?

What part of "digging a hole 300m from 5a" supports your "abduction" theory?

Surely even the densest of McCann supporters must now acknowledge a body is being sought?

stephen25000

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Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2014, 09:01:34 AM »
All out of date now since Scotland Yard took over, performed a "forensic examination of the timeline" and concluded that there WAS a window of opportunity for an abductor to take away Madeleine.  Which part of what I just wrote is in dispute?

Opportunity for an abductor ?

Where exactly ?

Where has it been excised that Madeleine did not die in the apartment ?

Do SY get it right all the time ? >@@(*&) >@@(*&)

Silkywhiskers

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Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2014, 09:06:08 AM »
There never was time for an abduction, and Tannerman being blown away made the whole thing even more inexplicable.

Unless of course, they lied...

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2014, 09:07:05 AM »
What part of "digging a hole 300m from 5a" supports your "abduction" theory?

Surely even the densest of McCann supporters must now acknowledge a body is being sought?
Do you or do you not dispute that Scotland Yard "forensically examined" the timeline and found that there was an opportunity for an abductor to strike?

The digs in PdL this week support perfectly well the theory that Madeleine was abducted by a local and murdered. 

stephen25000

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Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2014, 09:07:28 AM »
There never was time for an abduction, and Tannerman being blown away made the whole thing even more inexplicable.

Unless of course, they lied...

As if they would. >@@(*&)

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2014, 09:08:26 AM »
There never was time for an abduction, and Tannerman being blown away made the whole thing even more inexplicable.

Unless of course, they lied...

Well obviously you know better than Scotland Yard who have spent many, many expert man hours arriving at a different conclusion to yours.

Silkywhiskers

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Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2014, 09:10:55 AM »
Do you or do you not dispute that Scotland Yard "forensically examined" the timeline and found that there was an opportunity for an abductor to strike?

The digs in PdL this week support perfectly well the theory that Madeleine was abducted by a local and murdered.

Indeed.

But you must remember this little speech predates Operation Grange.

Current events indicate against abduction.

Current events indicate SY believe (after 4 years of said timeline examination) that Madeleine is 300m away.

Or was.

How do you reconcile THAT with your "timeline'?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2014, 09:12:50 AM »
This is pointless, here's the FACTS -

Addressing now, and specifically, the question relative to the diligence known as the "reconstitution of the facts" (Article 150º of the Penal Process Code), which was not performed due to the refusal of some of the integral members of the holiday group to return to our country (as documented in the Inquiry), the same would have clarified, duly and in the location of the disappearance, the following extremely important details, amongst others:

pages 55 and 56

. The physical, real and effective, proximity between JANE TANNER, GERALD McCANN and JEREMY WILKINS, at the moment when the former passed them, and which coincided with the sighting of the supposed suspect, carrying a child. It results, from our understanding, as unusual that neither GERALD McCANN nor JEREMY WILKINS did not see her, nor the alleged abductor, despite the small dimensions of the space;

. The situation that concerns the window of the bedroom where MADELEINE slept, together with the twins, which was open, according to KATE. It would be necessary to clarify whether there was a draft, due to the fact that movement of the curtains and pressure under the bedroom door are mentioned, which would eventually be clarified through the reconstitution.

. The establishing of a timeline and of the effective checking of the minors that were left alone inside the apartments, given the fact that, believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said individual, with the child, namely through a window with little space. It is added that the supposed abductor could only pass that window holding the minor in a different position (vertical) from the one that was visualized by witness JANE TANNER (horizontal).

. What happened during the time lapse between 5.30 p.m. (the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time by a person that differs from her parents or siblings) and the time at which the disappearance is reported by KATE HEALY (at around 10 p.m.).

Concerning the result of the diligences that were requested from the British authorities, as earlier mentioned, despite the fact that they were almost completely carried out, nothing new was added to the process and, consequentially, to the investigation.

The questioning of the holiday group merely corroborated what had already been established during the investigation, without any detail that could have been reputed as especially relevant being brought forward.

In conclusion, it results from everything that has been done, despite the efforts that were made and all investigation lines being explored, that it is not possible to obtain a solid and objective conclusion about what really happened that night, and about the present location of the missing minor.

On the other hand, it should be referred that this investigation moved itself under conditions of exceptional media exposure, with the publication of many "news" of imprecise, inexact or even false contents, which did not help, in the least, the discovery of the truth and created, many times, a climate of unusual commotion and of lack of serenity.

Therefore, as we do not envision, at the present moment, the execution of any other diligence within the process that might produce any useful result for the process, I submit it to your consideration, for you to determine whatever you may see as convenient.


So.  What part of that is in dispute?

No one knows what happened or when, that night.

Why would Gerry remember an exact time of 10:03? Think about it. What does it connect to?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Silkywhiskers

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Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2014, 09:13:52 AM »
Well obviously you know better than Scotland Yard who have spent many, many expert man hours arriving at a different conclusion to yours.

Why are they digging?


Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2014, 09:16:08 AM »
Indeed.

But you must remember this little speech predates Operation Grange.

Current events indicate against abduction.

Current events indicate SY believe (after 4 years of said timeline examination) that Madeleine is 300m away.

Or was.

How do you reconcile THAT with your "timeline'?
What are you on about "predates Operation Grange"?  this was said over a year into Operation Grange!

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Mr Redwood said "evidence that she is alive stems from the forensic view of the timeline" that there was the opportunity for her to be taken.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/9225801/Scotland-Yard-urges-Portuguese-to-repoen-Madeleine-McCann-search.html

Madeleine may possibly be resting only 300 metres from where she was taken - now tell me the science that makes it impossible for this to be the case and for her to have been abducted beforehand. 

stephen25000

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Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2014, 09:17:05 AM »
What are you on about "predates Operation Grange"?  this was said over a year into Operation Grange!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/9225801/Scotland-Yard-urges-Portuguese-to-repoen-Madeleine-McCann-search.html

Madeleine may possibly be resting only 300 metres from where she was taken - now tell me the science that makes it impossible for this to be the case and for her to have been abducted beforehand.


So where is the evidence she was abducted ?

Silkywhiskers

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Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2014, 09:22:45 AM »
What are you on about "predates Operation Grange"?  this was said over a year into Operation Grange!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/9225801/Scotland-Yard-urges-Portuguese-to-repoen-Madeleine-McCann-search.html

Madeleine may possibly be resting only 300 metres from where she was taken - now tell me the science that makes it impossible for this to be the case and for her to have been abducted beforehand.

So you're quoting an article that is OVER two years old, as "proof"?

They are digging for her body.  In what circumstance would an abductor take her, kill her, return her and bury her, all under the eyes of her parents?


Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2014, 09:29:23 AM »
So you're quoting an article that is OVER two years old, as "proof"?

They are digging for her body.  In what circumstance would an abductor take her, kill her, return her and bury her, all under the eyes of her parents?
LOL.  You quoted a report that was even older as "proof".  My article proves beyond doubt that a) Redwood and his team spent many man hours forensically examining the timeline and came to the conclusion that there was an opportunity forMadeleine to have been abducted and b) that Operation Grange had already been going a year when Redwood made that statement.
Your "proof" that they think otherwise amounts to the illogical assertion that because they appear to be looking for a body that she therefore cannot have been abducted.  This is utter nonsense.   What is this "return her and bury her under the eyes of her parents" crap?  If she is buried on wasteland on the outskirts of town (where they are also searching remember?) then what leg do you have left to stand on?