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Offline John

Portugal and fascism.
« on: June 12, 2014, 03:47:12 PM »
The Portuguese Republic was born on the 5th of October 1910, when Republican rebels overthrew King Manuel II, establishing a federal republic type government. The moment was symbolically marked when the leaders of the revolution addressed the people from the balcony of Parliament House in Lisbon.

Many people supported this revolution because they thought that the monarchy was responsible for the terrible economical/social crisis that the country was facing. They thought that the new government would solve all their problems. They were wrong, in fact it made them worse. And worse still, the government involved the country in World War I, causing an even greater crisis.

In this climate, fascism began to grow, like in many European countries at the time, supported by the majority of the people.

Finally, in 1926, General Gomes da Costa marched into the capital and implemented a military dictatorship. This still didn't change much: the economic crisis continued and riots broke out around the country.

But things would change. In 1928, a 39 year old Antonio Oliveira Salazar was invited to be Minister of Finance, by the Government. In one year, he managed to achieve "a miracle", reversing the economic balance through rigorous control of finances. From this act, Salazar gained enormous influence in the government and the people started to worship him, in fact they even called him "O salvador da nação" (The savior of the nation).

Salazar quickly ascended to power, being nominated President of the Council of Ministers (equivalent to the Prime Minister of today) in 1932. And with the new Portuguese constitution of 1933, a fascist regime was now ruling Portugal. The New State (Estado Novo) was born.

Opposed to communism, socialism, liberalism, and anti-colonialism, the pro-Roman Catholic Estado Novo Portugal preserved a vast, centuries-old empire. Fiercely criticised by most of the international community after World War II and decolonization, the regime and its secret police repressed elementary civil liberties and political freedoms in order to remain in power, and to avoid communist influence and the dissolution of its empire. It was one of the longest-surviving right-wing dictatorships in Europe, outliving the fascist regimes in Germany and Italy by three decades.

Portugal joined the United Nations (UN) in 1955, and was a founding member of NATO (1949), OECD (1961), and EFTA (1960). In 1968 Marcelo Caetano was appointed the new head of government. On 25 April 1974, the Carnation Revolution in Lisbon, a military coup organized by left-wing Portuguese military officers – the Armed Forces Movement (MFA) –, overthrew the Estado Novo regime and ended 48 years of dictatorship in Portugal.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2014, 04:36:43 PM by Mr Moderator »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Martina

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Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2014, 06:45:55 PM »
rubbish...can you name one case anywhere in the world where suspects have been asked to prove their innocence...it is fascism in the extreme

You know what? I come from the country that was greatly affected by the fascists/nazis during the Second World War. There aren't many things that make me angry more than an idiot who uses the label "fascist" as lightly and carelessly as you. Doing that you are putting the McCanns that had to answer some questions tohether with millions of people murdered and torturedin unspeakable ways. So please refrain from labeling anything that was uncomfortable for McCanns as fascist.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2014, 06:52:04 PM »
You know what? I come from the country that was greatly affected by the fascists/nazis during the Second World War. There aren't many things that make me angry more than an idiot who uses the label "fascist" as lightly and carelessly as you. Doing that you are putting the McCanns that had to answer some questions tohether with millions of people murdered and torturedin unspeakable ways. So please refrain from labeling anything that was uncomfortable for McCanns as fascist.

Im not bothered what you think...Portugal was a fascist country and elements still remain.Expecting people to prove their innocence is a sign of fascism and a disgrace

Offline Eleanor

Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2014, 06:54:26 PM »
You know what? I come from the country that was greatly affected by the fascists/nazis during the Second World War. There aren't many things that make me angry more than an idiot who uses the label "fascist" as lightly and carelessly as you. Doing that you are putting the McCanns that had to answer some questions tohether with millions of people murdered and torturedin unspeakable ways. So please refrain from labeling anything that was uncomfortable for McCanns as fascist.

I am really sorry about that.  But do you think that trying to stitch up The McCanns will make you feel better? 
It did have Fascist connotations, and you ought to be angry about that.

I have some experience of this myself,  which is one of the reasons for why I fight for the rights of The McCanns.  My reaction is totally opposite to yours.

Martina

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Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2014, 06:57:14 PM »
Im not bothered what you think...Portugal was a fascist country and elements still remain.Expecting people to prove their innocence is a sign of fascism and a disgrace

Now you show a massive ignorance. Portugal, though ruled for years by a dictator, was never a fascist country, I don't know, maybe you confuse it with Spain. During the Second World War Portugal was neutral and opened it's aerial bases to the Allies. Learn before you speak.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2014, 07:09:50 PM »
Now you show a massive ignorance. Portugal, though ruled for years by a dictator, was never a fascist country, I don't know, maybe you confuse it with Spain. During the Second World War Portugal was neutral and opened it's aerial bases to the Allies. Learn before you speak.
Perhaps you should read this?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fascism-Resistance-Portugal-Communists-Dissidents/dp/0719027977

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2014, 07:12:59 PM »
Now you show a massive ignorance. Portugal, though ruled for years by a dictator, was never a fascist country, I don't know, maybe you confuse it with Spain. During the Second World War Portugal was neutral and opened it's aerial bases to the Allies. Learn before you speak.

im not surprised you want to deny portugals fascist past....amaral and the Pj have made Portugal a laughing stock...they were so inept they have had to let SY come in and do a proper job

Offline Montclair

Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2014, 07:16:05 PM »
Now you show a massive ignorance. Portugal, though ruled for years by a dictator, was never a fascist country, I don't know, maybe you confuse it with Spain. During the Second World War Portugal was neutral and opened it's aerial bases to the Allies. Learn before you speak.

Sorry, but Portugal was a fascist dictatorship as was Spain.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2014, 07:17:34 PM »
You know what? I come from the country that was greatly affected by the fascists/nazis during the Second World War. There aren't many things that make me angry more than an idiot who uses the label "fascist" as lightly and carelessly as you. Doing that you are putting the McCanns that had to answer some questions tohether with millions of people murdered and torturedin unspeakable ways. So please refrain from labeling anything that was uncomfortable for McCanns as fascist.
Fascism does not always equal Nazism.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2014, 07:18:24 PM »
Sorry, but Portugal was a fascist dictatorship as was Spain.

many thanks for your honesty

Martina

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Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2014, 07:18:41 PM »
Sorry, but Portugal was a fascist dictatorship as was Spain.

Not every dictatorship is fascist and Portugal did not support fascist/nazis during the war. And I am greatly disturbed by the misuse of the word "fascist" by some people on this message board. It's so very much not right.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2014, 07:21:11 PM »
Not every dictatorship is fascist and Portugal did not support fascist/nazis during the war. And I am greatly disturbed by the misuse of the word "fascist" by some people on this message board. It's so very much not right.
Portugal did not support the Nazi regime but Salazar was a far right dictator.  His was a fascist regime.

Offline Montclair

Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2014, 07:22:40 PM »
im not surprised you want to deny portugals fascist past....amaral and the Pj have made Portugal a laughing stock...they were so inept they have had to let SY come in and do a proper job

What has Portugal's fascist past got to do with Amaral and the PJ? After the fall of the regime in 1974, many new laws were passed which ensured that people did not have to suffer any more abuse from the police as they did under the PIDE. This is why any confession is only valid when made in the courtroom in front of the judge. During the regime many people were convicted on the sole basis of confessions beaten and tortured out of them by the PIDE. My husband's uncle went crazy after spending several years in a prison in Tarrafal.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2014, 07:25:57 PM by Montclair »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2014, 07:22:46 PM »
Not every dictatorship is fascist and Portugal did not support fascist/nazis during the war. And I am greatly disturbed by the misuse of the word "fascist" by some people on this message board. It's so very much not right.

I think we all understand what fascist means..apart from you that is.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2014, 02:54:35 AM by John »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Portugal and fascism.
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2014, 07:24:50 PM »
What has Portugal's fascist past got to do with Amaral and the PJ? After the fall of the regime in 1974, many new laws were passed which ensured that people did not have to suffer any more abuse from the police as they did under the PIDE. This is why any confession is only valid when made in the courtroom in front of the judge. During the regime many people were convicted on the sole basis of confessions beaten and tortured out of them by the PIDE.

some of us have reason to believe it is still going on...with amaral being convicted for covering up torture