Portugal and fascism.

[stephen25000]

we are talking about Portugal and it has been shown that Portugal was  a fascist country...I was right...martina was wrong

You bought up Spain dave, not me.

have you apologized to Martina yet, for saying she didn't understand fascism, even though members of her family had been in concentration camps ?

[Mr Gray]

You bought up Spain dave, not me.

have you apologized to Martina yet, for saying she didn't understand fascism, even though members of her family had been in concentration camps ?

Martina brought spain up...I was quoting her post.

[stephen25000]

shall we deal with the spain bit first...the bit you just got totally wrong

You brought up Spain this morning and I replied to that,no more.

Now apologize to Martina, if of course you have the b##ls.

[Alfred R Jones]

You bought up Spain dave, not me.

have you apologized to Martina yet, for saying she didn't understand fascism, even though members of her family had been in concentration camps ?

Martina brought up Spain actually.  This really is very childish.  I think we are all agreed (with the exception of Martina) that Portugal was a fascist state.  Davel has nothing to apologise for as he is right and she is wrong.  Having relatives in concentration camps does not change that fact.

[stephen25000]

Martina brought up Spain actually.  This really is very childish.  I think we are all agreed (with the exception of Martina) that Portugal was a fascist state.  Davel has nothing to apologise for as he is right and she is wrong.  Having relatives in concentration camps does not change that fact.

Read my previous comment, and try to comprehend.

IF YOU CAN.

[Mr Gray]

You brought up Spain this morning and I replied to that,no more.

Now apologize to Martina, if of course you have the b##ls.

If I quote another posters post it is not me who has brought it up. As regards martinas family and the concentration camps... I owe an apology to WS...he is quite right of course...the world would be a better palce if the Nazis had won...more concentration camps he points out..if you have a problem with that take it up with him

[Eleanor]

This was a truly honourable Portuguese man, who ended his days, living in France, in disgrace and penury because he defied the fascist regime of Salazar.
There is a truly wonderful film, on YouTube, if anyone is interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristides_de_Sousa_Mendes

[Eleanor]

Yes, it does all get a bit beyond a joke in the end.  Every post directed at the likes of me is an insult, to which we are supposedly not allowed to respond in kind.

Portugal was a Fascist State, and unfortunately some of it spilled over, and still exists to this day.  The Fascists just regrouped and then came back into power, where some of them still remain.

The actual Revolution was a complete cock up because no one really knew what they were doing.  But there is nothing unusual in that.  Read some of the history after the supposed Revolution.
Sadly, some of them finished up in The PJ.  And quite a large number of those in power today were raised within the Salazar Regime anyway.

Anyone who believes that Torture is the way to go is a Fascist.

[pegasus]

Eddie was recommended and provided by the National Policing Improvement Agency.
Nothing to do with the "National Socialist Party".

 

[ferryman]

Eddie was recommended and provided by the National Policing Improvement Agency.
Nothing to do with the "National Socialist Party".

So not by South Yorkshire Police?

[Eleanor]

Oh, by the way, has anyone read my Wikopedia link to just about the bravest man that ever called himself Portuguese?

Sadly, he shared his name in some part with Goncalo Amaral de Sousa.  Oh, what shame.  A man who saved so many Jews, among others.  A man who walked the path with those he saved.

Amaral only cared about himself, and then violated every Catholic rule in the book.

[Eleanor]

Yeah I read Martina's post; my interpretation of it was in the context of what was being written the posters meaning was Portugal was not part of The Axis. Obviously you are entitled to interpret the post differently. You are not however the sole arbiter of what other posters mean and your decision is not final. In strict terms Portugal was fascist as are/were a lot of countries which could not bracketed in with the Second World War Axis.
You are flogging a dead horse chap.

Portugal did support The Nazis.  But they thought that no one noticed.

[Eleanor]

Portugal was crawling with Nazis during the War.  And actively denying safety to The Jews, although I don't know if Salzar was anti semetic.  But denying them safety says enough to me.

The entire thought makes me feel ill.

[Martina]

Portugal was crawling with Nazis during the War.  And actively denying safety to The Jews, although I don't know if Salzar was anti semetic.  But denying them safety says enough to me.

The entire thought makes me feel ill.

Yet you live in France that actually actively helped Nazis to kill Jews. Hmmm...  >@@(*&)

[Eleanor]

Yet you live in France that actually actively helped Nazis to kill Jews. Hmmm...  >@@(*&)

Don't be ridiculous.  It was nearly seventy years ago.  And The French are falling over themselves to apologise.  But I do have to say that no one will ever quite forgive Vichy France.  The rest of France had no choice.