Author Topic: So what's next in the libel trial saga?  (Read 351313 times)

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Offline Carana

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #150 on: June 29, 2014, 12:56:25 PM »
What's next?

- Has Amaral found a new lawyer yet?
- The McCanns will have to submit documentation to the satisfaction of the judge as to whether Madeleine was eligible to be represented in court or not.
- Those required to be in court will need to be present for the next episode of the saga.

Anything else?


Offline Eleanor

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #151 on: June 29, 2014, 01:00:04 PM »

The only thing I can think of at the moment is, "How much longer is this going to take?"

Offline Carana

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #152 on: June 29, 2014, 01:11:01 PM »
The only thing I can think of at the moment is, "How much longer is this going to take?"

At least another decade, I expect, as whatever happens will probably go through various appeals.

Hopefully Madeleine will have been found by then.

Offline jassi

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #153 on: June 29, 2014, 01:15:36 PM »
At least another decade, I expect, as whatever happens will probably go through various appeals.

Hopefully Madeleine will have been found by then.

Another decade and she won't be a child  (if still alive)
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Carana

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #154 on: June 29, 2014, 01:44:26 PM »
Another decade and she won't be a child  (if still alive)

She would still be a missing person unless found in the meantime.

Offline jassi

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #155 on: June 29, 2014, 02:49:01 PM »
I fear she will always be a missing person
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #156 on: June 29, 2014, 02:54:54 PM »
At least another decade, I expect, as whatever happens will probably go through various appeals.

Hopefully Madeleine will have been found by then.

I'm far from convinced of that, you know.

There has to be a basis of appeal.

In heaven's name, what?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #157 on: June 29, 2014, 03:05:02 PM »
look up the definition of libel...libel has been established...the court will decide if amaral has any defence to the charge of libel...if you have read the witness statements...you will see that this is exactly what amaral has been trying to do...he has been trying to prove that his libellous statements are supported by the files...
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #158 on: June 29, 2014, 03:23:15 PM »
He has the technical permission to appeal.

But he must find a basis.

I can't for the life of me think what.

Suppose the McCanns lose, do you think they wouldn't have a basis to appeal?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #159 on: June 29, 2014, 03:30:02 PM »
Suppose the McCanns lose, do you think they wouldn't have a basis to appeal?
according to a Portuguese poster who I think understands the law there could be several appeals., BUT I think the truth is we don t really know

ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #160 on: June 29, 2014, 04:07:02 PM »
Suppose the McCanns lose, do you think they wouldn't have a basis to appeal?

I am, perhaps arrogantly (but I believe my arrogance is justified) taking it as a given that the McCanns will win, simply because there is so much they can prove that lowers their reputation and is untrue.

Where does Amaral go from there?

Offline Carana

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #161 on: June 29, 2014, 04:13:21 PM »
I'm far from convinced of that, you know.

There has to be a basis of appeal.

In heaven's name, what?

Murat's lawyer found bases for appeal (not all were accepted, however).

Offline Carana

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #162 on: June 29, 2014, 04:15:48 PM »
I am, perhaps arrogantly (but I believe my arrogance is justified) taking it as a given that the McCanns will win, simply because there is so much they can prove that lowers their reputation and is untrue.

Where does Amaral go from there?

I would totally agree with you if the case was being tried in the UK. However, it isn't.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #163 on: June 29, 2014, 04:20:45 PM »
I would totally agree with you if the case was being tried in the UK. However, it isn't.

you only have to look at..

one...the state of amaral...he understands the law

two...amarals witnesses...they have all been trying to show amarals book is the same as the files...ie...trying to justify amarals libel

Offline Carana

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #164 on: June 29, 2014, 04:33:42 PM »
you only have to look at..

one...the state of amaral...he understands the law

two...amarals witnesses...they have all been trying to show amarals book is the same as the files...ie...trying to justify amarals libel

Yes, I'd agree that the thrust of his defence in terms of witnesses was to establish that what he'd stated was in the files and, curiously, a number of his witnesses were rather vague as to what they'd read or watched.

ETA: Some of it was in the files, other parts seem to rely on hearsay which isn't, and then there is a certain amount of literary licence. And what he considers to be in the files was only up until he was removed from the case... although to read or listen to him beyond the early days, you'd never know that.
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