So what's next in the libel trial saga?

[ferryman]

Why then does the appeal submission include a mention of attempts to organise a reconstruction (made by his successor quite some time later), as if it were a contemporaneous fact?

Sage observation ...

[lordpookles]

Regardless of the truth of the case. Why do you guys think the McCanns will not receive a payout? It could almost certainly be said he has damaged their reputation, but not the investigation imo - if this is indeed a damages trial. Though I'm not sure he has said it is unequivocally them. Rather he has suggested a thesis and provided circumstantial evidence to try and support the thesis....I think it's looking rather bad from what I've read for Mr Amaral, but then I havent been closely following. I mean the judge enquired after his financial status...

Going on previous form will we see an SY announcement/development around the same time as the outcome? 

[Brietta]

Don't really think anything any witness from any side will be able to shake the foundation of the learned judge's reading of the situation in law as regards Madeleine's parents.

"The fact they are innocent" judge Maria Emília de Melo e Castro

Seems to be very clear cut to me that the learned judge is quite unequivocal in her assessment. As an expert on Portuguese Law I think her opinion may carry more weight than that of uninformed posters on the internet.

All that remains to be seen is how she interprets points of law to make her decision in this case ... but let's make no mistake about it ... a Portuguese judge is on record confirming the AG has cleared the McCanns by stating in her court "they are innocent".

[ferryman]

Don't really think anything any witness from any side will be able to shake the foundation of the learned judge's reading of the situation in law as regards Madeleine's parents.

"The fact they are innocent" judge Maria Emília de Melo e Castro

Seems to be very clear cut to me that the learned judge is quite unequivocal in her assessment. As an expert on Portuguese Law I think her opinion may carry more weight than that of uninformed posters on the internet.

All that remains to be seen is how she interprets points of law to make her decision in this case ... but let's make no mistake about it ... a Portuguese judge is on record confirming the AG has cleared the McCanns by stating in her court "they are innocent".

It's just a ruse to trick them, Brietta, a cunning plan to spring an unpleasant surprise later.

DCI Redwood is in on it, too ...

[Brietta]

Regardless of the truth of the case. Why do you guys think the McCanns will not receive a payout? It could almost certainly be said he has damaged their reputation, but not the investigation imo - if this is indeed a damages trial. Though I'm not sure he has said it is unequivocally them. Rather he has suggested a thesis and provided circumstantial evidence to try and support the thesis....I think it's looking rather bad from what I've read for Mr Amaral, but then I havent been closely following. I mean the judge enquired after his financial status...

Going on previous form will we see an SY announcement/development around the same time as the outcome? 

Do you really believe the SY investigation is timed to suit the vagaries of the ups and downs ... cancellations and vanishing lawyers of this court case?

Maybe you should consider backing up that statement with examples of previous complicity ... should be easy enough if there is previous form for it.

[lordpookles]

Do you really believe the SY investigation is timed to suit the vagaries of the ups and downs ... cancellations and vanishing lawyers of this court case?

Maybe you should consider backing up that statement with examples of previous complicity ... should be easy enough if there is previous form for it.

Largely I was being facetious. Of course politicians are not beyond stage managing certain events and releases of information. By politicians I don't think it is unfair to say SY have a certain political element to their organisation... I do think it will be interesting to see if there is further SY activity around this exact time. You of course by your response think this is out of the question?

[Alfred R Jones]

Don't really think anything any witness from any side will be able to shake the foundation of the learned judge's reading of the situation in law as regards Madeleine's parents.

"The fact they are innocent" judge Maria Emília de Melo e Castro

Seems to be very clear cut to me that the learned judge is quite unequivocal in her assessment. As an expert on Portuguese Law I think her opinion may carry more weight than that of uninformed posters on the internet.

All that remains to be seen is how she interprets points of law to make her decision in this case ... but let's make no mistake about it ... a Portuguese judge is on record confirming the AG has cleared the McCanns by stating in her court "they are innocent".

The judge was being ironic dontcha know...

[stephen25000]

The judge was being ironic dontcha know...

Innocent ?

but they haven't been charged.

[stephen25000]

As a reminder, the only established facts are :

1. Three children were left by themselves for 5 successive nights.

2. Madeleine disappeared, cause not determined.

[Mr Gray]

As a reminder, the only established facts are :

1. Three children were left by themselves for 5 successive nights.

2. Madeleine disappeared, cause not determined.

add Redwood said parents are not suspects...that's a fact....and a Portuguese judge has referred to them as innocent...that's another fact

[jassi]

add Redwood said parents are not suspects...that's a fact....and a Portuguese judge has referred to them as innocent...that's another fact

That they said it is certainly a fact. What they said may be true or false.

[lordpookles]

That they said it is certainly a fact. What they said may be true or false.

A unequivocal wording imo would be "they have been eliminated from the inquiry".

[stephen25000]

add Redwood said parents are not suspects...that's a fact....and a Portuguese judge has referred to them as innocent...that's another fact

Redwood is a believer, we know that.

Trouble is nothing tangible to show abduction.

As to innocence, that lies within the parameters of a court case, if charges are brought.

[Alice Purjorick]

MC - If some people suspect, from where is their conviction formed?

EL - says it is mainly through the internet. GA's book is the first thing that appears on internet. The
people don't know these allegations aren't true according to the criminal investigation.

MC - People don't know?

EL - hesitates, she says the majority don't.

..................

Don't bother us with facts or figures Miss Loach, just 'the people' or 'the majority' of them will do.

Brilliant!

Added to Susan Hubbard knowing a Portuguese nurse in Canada who said that the Portuguese believed the book.
Not to mention Michael Wright "I haven't read the book I don't need to to know it's all lies" (or words to that effect).
The judge telling Ms Cameron she can go home and then Ms Cameron saying I haven't finished yet  but the judge overrules her.

Stunners. Would you want them on your side?

[stephen25000]

Added to Susan Hubbard knowing a Portuguese nurse in Canada who said that the Portuguese believed the book.
Not to mention Michael Wright "I haven't read the book I don't need to to know it's all lies" (or words to that effect).
The judge telling Ms Cameron she can go home and then Ms Cameron saying I haven't finished yet  but the judge overrules her.

Stunners. Would you want them on your side?

Truly incomparable witnesses.

No wonder certain people are worried.

They probably thought they could go into Portugal and Johnny foreigner would believe every word they gave as 'witnesses'.