Author Topic: Mark Warner Holidays and Ocean Club Resorts had a duty of care towards their guests.  (Read 125273 times)

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Offline Freya

Ok have have checked the statements of the adults.
None of them make the "inside the booklet it was wrongly claimed" allegation at all.
So relying on their veraciousness, I conclude that the "misleading booklet" idea has no substance at all.
What actually happened BTW is very simple: there was no misleading booklet at all, the person who made the booking "hadn’t really read the small print". (Source: rogatory interview 9th April 2008)
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Offline Freya

As I said, the adults, if one actually reads their statements, never claim there was any misleading booklet.
They are telling the truth about the booking.
If there was a misleading booklet they would have said so.
Re where the myth originated, I don't know, obviously no competent lawyer or PR peep would ever create such a myth exactly opposite to what the truthful witnesses say, so maybe it's just lazy journalism
Its an assumption that is made. mark Warner holiday brochures have all that information in the back. Its a blanket statement about ALL MW resorts. There may well have been a small note about praia da luz but it must have been very small because I also missed it when booking. As I said before, PDL resort was very different in set up to other MWs....we didn't even realise it was an "open" resort.....not just MW guests. Very easily done.

Offline jassi

Its an assumption that is made. mark Warner holiday brochures have all that information in the back. Its a blanket statement about ALL MW resorts. There may well have been a small note about praia da luz but it must have been very small because I also missed it when booking. As I said before, PDL resort was very different in set up to other MWs....we didn't even realise it was an "open" resort.....not just MW guests. Very easily done.

Presumably you realised that once you had got there and adjusted your arrangements accordingly ?
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I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline pegasus

Its an assumption that is made. mark Warner holiday brochures have all that information in the back. Its a blanket statement about ALL MW resorts. There may well have been a small note about praia da luz but it must have been very small because I also missed it when booking. As I said before, PDL resort was very different in set up to other MWs....we didn't even realise it was an "open" resort.....not just MW guests. Very easily done.
Yes, here in the words of an excellent witness is what happened in a nutshell
"**** had chosen the resort and hadn’t really read the small print"
Source: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id253.html - fairly near the top - or search the page for "really read"

Offline Eleanor


That doesn't alter the fact that Mark Warner and The Ocean Club had a duty to inform clients that the place wasn't safe from Burglars and Preditors, even if only in a cursory way.

Martina

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That doesn't alter the fact that Mark Warner and The Ocean Club had a duty to inform clients that the place wasn't safe from Burglars and Preditors, even if only in a cursory way.

That doesn't alter the fact it were the McCanns that decided to leave their children unattended, out of their own free will, despite of having other options.

Offline jassi

Is anyone keeping a register of all those persons and organisations who have a share of the responsibility for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?
It seems to be an ever expanding list.  Stick anyone on the list except the parents.

Perhaps we could use them to create a version of bullshit bingo.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Is anyone keeping a register of all those persons and organisations who have a share of the responsibility for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?
It seems to be an ever expanding list.  Stick anyone on the list except the parents.

The list does not expand.  It is as it was on the 3rd May 2007.  The difference is that crimes of which we were in ignorance are now very much in the public domain.

The last thing a holidaymaker expects in a small town advertising family holidays is the added presence of a paedophile who enters holiday homes to assault their children. We now know better. 

We can see from Eamonn Holmes interview with Paul Luckman that people were in total denial even that burglaries were taking place. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKx0ND1jBwA
We now know better, and are bemused at a local editor who professes such ignorance of events in the small town covered by his newspaper.

In such a climate of denial where not even elementary precautions such as additional lighting or the installation of CCTV was considered appropriate it is hardly surprising that families were lulled into a false sense of security. 

Given the level of unchecked and denied lawlessness and assaults on children we now know about, it was a matter of time before something more abominable happened to someone’s child.

The child it did happen to was Madeleine McCann. 

Make no mistake about it the responsibility for this crime lies squarely with the perpetrator/s and those who by their inaction allowed the inevitable to happen.

If the people who did know about these events, or who should have known about these events obviously didn't expect a child to be kidnapped, how could holidaymakers be on their guard for something they had no warning about at all?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Martina

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If the people who did know about these events, or who should have known about these events obviously didn't expect a child to be kidnapped, how could holidaymakers be on their guard for something they had no warning about at all?

Lack of warning does not mean the holidaymakers can turn their brains off. And leaving the toddlers unattended is dangerous, paeophiles or not. The doctors should know that.
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Offline Freya

Presumably you realised that once you had got there and adjusted your arrangements accordingly ?
We didn't use baby listening at either San Ag or PDL.

Offline Freya

That doesn't alter the fact that Mark Warner and The Ocean Club had a duty to inform clients that the place wasn't safe from Burglars and Preditors, even if only in a cursory way.
Absolutely. I think that was proven early on.

Offline Freya

Lack of warning does not mean the holidaymakers can turn their brains off. And leaving the toddlers unattended is dangerous, paeophiles or not. The doctors should know that.
They were stupid, as were many hundreds of thousands of other holiday makers over the years. It doesn't detract from the title of this thread which was asking if MW had a duty of care towards their guests. Quite simply they did have a duty of care.....hiding information about burglaries is not acceptable.

stephen25000

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They were stupid, as were many hundreds of thousands of other holiday makers over the years. It doesn't detract from the title of this thread which was asking if MW had a duty of care towards their guests. Quite simply they did have a duty of care.....hiding information about burglaries is not acceptable.

Hundreds of thousands left their children in unlocked apartments/residences ?

Do you have evidence for this ?

Offline Brietta

Lack of warning does not mean the holidaymakers can turn their brains off. And leaving the toddlers unattended is dangerous, paeophiles or not. The doctors should know that.

As I've said before ... I would appreciate if you are editing or abbreviating my posts that you state it ... just a matter of courtesy.  To solve the problem, please don't do it at all.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Freya

Hundreds of thousands left their children in unlocked apartments/residences ?

Do you have evidence for this ?
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