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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #90 on: July 02, 2014, 07:31:42 PM »
The matter of Madeleine being a WOC had been brought up earlier but only later did the judge ask Gonçalo Amaral's lawyer to obtain the relevant documents. He was able to obtain them and they confirm that she is indeed a WOC. In her ruling she stated that if the McCanns are unable to show that they had authorisation from the court to represent their daughter, she would then be forced to acquit all defendents with regard to the claim made in Madeleine's name. Now the ball is the McCanns' court and they were given 30 days from the date of the last hearing to present this proof.

so all amaral has shown is that madeleine was a WOC which everyone knew anyway. The WOC status is only relevant if amaral loses so it shows he is preparing for defeat

stephen25000

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Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #91 on: July 02, 2014, 07:36:09 PM »
so all amaral has shown is that madeleine was a WOC which everyone knew anyway. The WOC status is only relevant if amaral loses so it shows he is preparing for defeat

Wait for the court judgement dear boy, it might help.

Offline Victoria

Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #92 on: July 02, 2014, 07:40:43 PM »
The matter of Madeleine being a WOC had been brought up earlier but only later did the judge ask Gonçalo Amaral's lawyer to obtain the relevant documents. He was able to obtain them and they confirm that she is indeed a WOC. In her ruling she stated that if the McCanns are unable to show that they had authorisation from the court to represent their daughter, she would then be forced to acquit all defendents with regard to the claim made in Madeleine's name. Now the ball is the McCanns' court and they were given 30 days from the date of the last hearing to present this proof.

Utter rubbish. Leave of the court is not required. There is no legal authority to support these claims, it is pure nonsense.

Offline jassi

Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #93 on: July 02, 2014, 07:42:24 PM »
Well, I guess we'll see in a couple of weeks.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Victoria

Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #94 on: July 02, 2014, 07:43:13 PM »
Well, I guess we'll see in a couple of weeks.

If you have any familiarity with the law, you will know already.

Offline jassi

Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #95 on: July 02, 2014, 07:44:37 PM »
If you have any familiarity with the law, you will know already.


I'm quite patient so content to wait for the definitive answer.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Victoria

Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #96 on: July 02, 2014, 07:47:46 PM »

I'm quite patient so content to wait for the definitive answer.

You won't get an answer from the court in Lisbon if the issue hasn't actually been raised there. If you know any family lawyers, or have access to legal authorities, you can find your own answer in about ten minutes. Parental custody is shared, not ceded, in this case. That's all you need to know.  8)-)))

Offline jassi

Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #97 on: July 02, 2014, 07:49:37 PM »
I think I'll wait for the judge, thank you.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Victoria

Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #98 on: July 02, 2014, 07:51:54 PM »
I think I'll wait for the judge, thank you.

Good for you, old chum. The Judge in Lisbon won't even utter the words 'ward of court', IMO.

ferryman

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Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #99 on: July 03, 2014, 07:29:22 AM »
You won't get an answer from the court in Lisbon if the issue hasn't actually been raised there. If you know any family lawyers, or have access to legal authorities, you can find your own answer in about ten minutes. Parental custody is shared, not ceded, in this case. That's all you need to know.  8)-)))

A beautiful, succinct, summary ....

Offline Eleanor

Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #100 on: July 03, 2014, 07:35:11 AM »
You won't get an answer from the court in Lisbon if the issue hasn't actually been raised there. If you know any family lawyers, or have access to legal authorities, you can find your own answer in about ten minutes. Parental custody is shared, not ceded, in this case. That's all you need to know.  8)-)))

I thought I had read this somewhere but couldn't remember where.

I am loath to ask for a cite, not being very good at producing those myself, but such a thing would be very useful.

Offline Montclair

Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #101 on: July 03, 2014, 09:16:04 AM »
You won't get an answer from the court in Lisbon if the issue hasn't actually been raised there. If you know any family lawyers, or have access to legal authorities, you can find your own answer in about ten minutes. Parental custody is shared, not ceded, in this case. That's all you need to know.  8)-)))

What's the problem? The judge has asked for the McCanns to provide the proof or authorisation that they are able to act on Madeleine's behalf in this court case. That's all. If they can provide it, no problem. If they can't then the defendents will be acquitted with respect to the action on the child's behalf.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #102 on: July 03, 2014, 10:33:46 AM »
What's the problem? The judge has asked for the McCanns to provide the proof or authorisation that they are able to act on Madeleine's behalf in this court case. That's all. If they can provide it, no problem. If they can't then the defendents will be acquitted with respect to the action on the child's behalf.

Do you have any independent verification that the judge has made this request

Offline jassi

Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #103 on: July 03, 2014, 10:36:49 AM »
We should know in a fortnight.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Compensation and the WOC Issue.
« Reply #104 on: July 03, 2014, 11:42:56 AM »
Do you have any independent verification that the judge has made this request

The issue having been raised by one of the respondents, the Judge would be under some obligation to clarify the issue. Otherwise it could be used as grounds for an appeal.  So in this respect Amaral may have missed a trick.

Very well put, by the way Victoria