Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.

[ShiningInLuz]

So Joao Carlos, who wrote the final PJ report:

Lied?

Is an idiot?

Doesn't know what he's talking about?

Is just less clued-up than internet sleuths, the majority of whom have never been near the apartment?

Which?

The final report is clear that what happened to Madeleine was undetermined.

[John]

Posters are reminded to keep to the topic under discussion.  I know it is the weekend and New Year's Day but attacks on other members will not be tolerated. Mods please take note!!

Happy New Year everyone.

[stephen25000]

I'm still waiting for that translation, Stephen, to back up the Correia conspiracy allegation.

You're a bit slow.

I've told you already I don't speak Portuguese.

Meanwhile, do you really on your wildest fantasies believe I rely on one quote from Correia, to know he was employed to go after Amaral.

How drole.

You've spending too much time in Egypt. *&*%£

[G-Unit]

SY
The authorities

I have seen nothing to suggest that SY have determined anything for sure. They have never said they know what happened to Madeleine McCann.

Whatever SY know or think they know doesn't make any difference anyway. The only people who really matter are the Portuguese authorities, because the case is theirs, not the UK's.

[slartibartfast]

Can we try and keep on topic.

[sadie]

I have seen nothing to suggest that SY have determined anything for sure. They have never said they know what happened to Madeleine McCann.

Whatever SY know or think they know doesn't make any difference anyway. The only people who really matter are the Portuguese authorities, because the case is theirs, not the UK's.

Do you realise just how awful that sounds ?   You can't have it, "It's mine" mentality


I would hope that Porto PJ, the Portuguese authorities and Operation Grange are working together at an adult level ... not the childish level you suggest

[Alice Purjorick]

Remind me where I mentioned court

Seein' as 'ow you mention it sport you didn't which means the balance of probablities bit is merely your own dubious opinion presented as fact.

[Alfie]

Seein' as 'ow you mention it sport you didn't which means the balance of probablities bit is merely your own dubious opinion presented as fact.

What is dubious about the opinion that on the balance of probabilities Madeleine was abducted?  On the balance of probabilities what do you think is more likely?

[G-Unit]

Do you realise just how awful that sounds ?   You can't have it, "It's mine" mentality

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I would hope that Porto PJ, the Portuguese authorities and Operation Grange are working together at an adult level ... not the childish level you suggest

I think you misunderstood my point, Sadie. I'll try to explain why it's not a matter of levels of maturity.
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Because of legal jurisdiction the Portuguese are the ones who can fully and freely investigate this case. SY may gather evidence, but it is the Portuguese who will examine it and who will decide if the evidence is enough to launch a prosecution. It is the Portuguese who will try the culprit (s), unless the case is such that the UK can do it. The UK will only be able to try the case if the Portuguese allow them to. 

[Mr Gray]

I have seen nothing to suggest that SY have determined anything for sure. They have never said they know what happened to Madeleine McCann.

Whatever SY know or think they know doesn't make any difference anyway. The only people who really matter are the Portuguese authorities, because the case is theirs, not the UK's.

SY have stated the McCanns are not suspects

[Alice Purjorick]

What is dubious about the opinion that on the balance of probabilities Madeleine was abducted? On the balance of probabilities what do you think is more likely?

In the context in which it is being bandied about "Balance of Probablities" is a legal concept; see davels earlier post in this thread if you are thinking it was something else we are discussing wrt to balance of probablities.
How balance of probablities works in the legal sense is that evidence is presented by both sides to the court for a judgement on where the balance lies. Thus far it hasn't been presented at court therefore in a legal sense no one on this forum can make the presumption that the legal balance lays one way or another.
As we don't have all the evidence to hand, as little as 17% if you believe some posts, we on this forum are in no position to weigh the evidence as would be required.
You are asking me to speculate which way the balance lies, which as you have pointed out recently is not permissible on this forum.
Just to make that clear:
I don't know what happened any more than you or this entire forum do.

[Alfie]

In the context in which it is being bandied about "Balance of Probablities" is a legal concept; see davels earlier post in this thread if you are thinking it was something else we are discussing wrt to balance of probablities.
How balance of probablities works in the legal sense is that evidence is presented by both sides to the court for a judgement on where the balance lies. Thus far it hasn't been presented at court therefore in a legal sense no one on this forum can make the presumption that the legal balance lays one way or another.
As we don't have all the evidence to hand, as little as 17% if you believe some posts, we on this forum are in no position to weigh the evidence as would be required.
You are asking me to speculate which way the balance lies, which as you have pointed out recently is not permissible on this forum.
Just to make that clear:
I don't know what happened any more than you or this entire forum do.

Cop out.

[Mr Gray]

In the context in which it is being bandied about "Balance of Probablities" is a legal concept; see davels earlier post in this thread if you are thinking it was something else we are discussing wrt to balance of probablities.
How balance of probablities works in the legal sense is that evidence is presented by both sides to the court for a judgement on where the balance lies. Thus far it hasn't been presented at court therefore in a legal sense no one on this forum can make the presumption that the legal balance lays one way or another.
As we don't have all the evidence to hand, as little as 17% if you believe some posts, we on this forum are in no position to weigh the evidence as would be required.
You are asking me to speculate which way the balance lies, which as you have pointed out recently is not permissible on this forum.
Just to make that
I don't know what happened any more than you or this entire forum do.

I don't know what happened either but
After 10 years the stents have not been arrested and there is nothing to suggest the police suspect them of any crime
On the balance of probabilities they are not criminally involved in Maddies disappearance
As the archiving report discounted woke and wandered that leaves abduction
It is as simple as that

[ferryman]

The final report is clear that what happened to Madeleine was undetermined.

It is also clear that the McCanns have no case to answer.

[Robittybob1]

In the context in which it is being bandied about "Balance of Probablities" is a legal concept; see davels earlier post in this thread if you are thinking it was something else we are discussing wrt to balance of probablities.
How balance of probablities works in the legal sense is that evidence is presented by both sides to the court for a judgement on where the balance lies. Thus far it hasn't been presented at court therefore in a legal sense no one on this forum can make the presumption that the legal balance lays one way or another.
As we don't have all the evidence to hand, as little as 17% if you believe some posts, we on this forum are in no position to weigh the evidence as would be required.
You are asking me to speculate which way the balance lies, which as you have pointed out recently is not permissible on this forum.
Just to make that clear:
I don't know what happened any more than you or this entire forum do.

Assuming the files that were released were released to justify Amaral's position, even from the 17% that we have, it still doesn't look rosy for the PJ.  I can't wait till the whole file is released so we can have a balanced look of their entire investigation.