Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?

[stephen25000]

Precisely.

I think the penny may be getting ready to drop.

... "if they had anything which would stand up, action would have been taken."  That is why the police have declared that they have no interest in Madeleine's parents.  That is why the police are looking for an abductor.

Couldn't be clearer.

The trouble is , no evidence of abduction, and certainly no forensics, just hyperbole.

[sadie]

They ain't got none.

Come on then .

Tell us.

[Brietta]

The trouble is , no evidence of abduction, and certainly no forensics, just hyperbole.

Stephen, oh Stephen ... please stop quoting the hotel manager and stop to think, very carefully, what the word 'abduction' means in the Queen's english.

The collection of forensic samples was botched beyond belief ... but even at that there are still unmatched samples retrieved from 5a which may be explained someday.

[jassi]

Stephen, oh Stephen ... please stop quoting the hotel manager and stop to think, very carefully, what the word 'abduction' means in the Queen's english.

The collection of forensic samples was botched beyond belief ... but even at that there are still unmatched samples retrieved from 5a which may be explained someday.

Not really surprising given that it was a holiday rental property and must have had hundreds of temporary residents.

[stephen25000]

Stephen, oh Stephen ... please stop quoting the hotel manager and stop to think, very carefully, what the word 'abduction' means in the Queen's english.

The collection of forensic samples was botched beyond belief ... but even at that there are still unmatched samples retrieved from 5a which may be explained someday.

I'm not quoting the hotel manager. 8-)(--) That is my view. As it's shared by many others, don't be too surprised.

As to abduction, it really is very simple.

Where is the carte blanche undeniable evidence which shows that and with forensics to back it up.

[Benice]

I'm not quoting the hotel manager. 8-)(--) That is my view. As it's shared by many others, don't be too surprised.

As to abduction, it really is very simple.

Where is the carte blanche undeniable evidence which shows that and with forensics to back it up.

Why do you keep repeating this rubbish.   The apartment was not a crime scene until after it was established that Madeleine was not in it - or in the immediate vicinity.   How could her disappearance from 5A be established without them searching it?  Why would anyone expect the frantic parents to behave like policemen?  That makes no sense.

It was the police themselves who blundered around the apartment and failed to cordon it off as a matter of urgency as soon as they arrived.   It wasn't the McCanns who left dog hairs strewn all over the floor.

All your efforts to delude yourself otherwise will not change the fact that it was the police who did not do their job properly as soon as they arrived.   

[stephen25000]

Why do you keep repeating this rubbish.   The apartment was not a crime scene until after it was established that Madeleine was not in it - or in the immediate vicinity.   How could her disappearance from 5A be established without them searching it?  Why would anyone expect the frantic parents to behave like policemen?  That makes no sense.

It was the police themselves who blundered around the apartment and failed to cordon it off as a matter of urgency as soon as they arrived.   It wasn't the McCanns who left dog hairs strewn all over the floor.

All your efforts to delude yourself otherwise will not change the fact that it was the police who did not do their job properly as soon as they arrived.

The group made a mess of the apartment.

The police arrived after they were finally alerted to the disappearance.

All you and your fellow supporters do is lay the blame at the Portuguese Police.

[Mr Gray]

The group made a mess of the apartment.

The police arrived after they were finally alerted to the disappearance.

All you and your fellow supporters do is lay the blame at the Portuguese Police.

the person to blame us the abductor...the one SY are searching for

[gilet]

Why are you so incapable of understanding that when the McCanns and their friends searched the apartment they were desperate to find a missing child?

Why do you make the idiotic inference that they should have done such a thing without disturbing things at all? What kind of idiocy is it to suggest that a normal person would not make such a search as thoroughly as possible?

Do you never actually think about the reality of the situation? Do you actually believe that the first thing on the mind of a parent or parental friend when a child has gone missing is to preserve the scene for future police investigation rather than simply to find the child? Seriously?

The problem is that you cannot get beyond that mantra of yours, that the parents in your view are guilty. Were you not stuck in that mindset and were you able to look at things more realistically then you might be able to appreciate that when a child goes missing a caring parent simply panics and tries to find their offspring. And until they have conducted a thorough search then they really don't even know for certain that the child is really missing. That might be the first panicky reaction but a child might be in another place for perfectly normal reasons. You have to check every possible place.

Not in the remotest way comparable but something I remember to this day was an occasion about 20 years ago when I was on holiday. I lost a pair of sunglasses that I had borrowed from a friend who was willing to lend them to me because I didn't have any for the holidays on condition I was careful with them. They were extremely expensive and when I lost them I panicked. My suitcase, hotel room, bathroom and even the rooms of my holiday companions were ransacked by all of us. Luckily I had left them on the table at dinner and the waitress returned them to me the following morning. Do you think I should have remained calm and searched only briefly in case I had to call in the police to report a crime and get a crime number for insurance purposes? A missing child would I am certain instil even greater levels of panic in any normal person. Unfortunately you are utterly incapable of understanding that simple fact.

And as Benice has already explained the genuine damage to the scene was done by the POLICE who turned up and themselves contaminated the scene with cigarette ash, dog hairs etc and who FAILED to ensure that the scene was properly maintained.

[gilet]

the person to blame us the abductor...the one SY are searching for

Correct. It is utterly obscene that Stephen excuses the action of any potential abductor simply because he is stuck in a mindset where he can only focus on the blame he wishes to place on the parents who have already stated that they are guilty of what he cannot get past and who will live with the guilt of their actions for the rest of their lives. Stephen is so bitter that he cannot see that the blame is not simply that of the McCanns.

He is making excuses for a vile criminal. That is something most people find disgusting.

[gilet]

The group made a mess of the apartment.

The police arrived after they were finally alerted to the disappearance.

All you and your fellow supporters do is lay the blame at the Portuguese Police.

Can you not understand that the police were not involved immediately because the McCanns and their friends had to search the apartment and check that Madeleine was no longer present?

Blame is being laid at the foot of those involved where blame is due.

We all know, because they have admitted their mistake that part of the blame lies with the McCanns. It does not take your spammed mantra for the world to know that they will live with the guilt of that for the rest of their lives.

We all know, though you completely ignore it, that there is clear and absolute evidence that the police are also to blame in that they did not secure the scene even though they knew that should have been done. We also know that the Police introduced the contamination recorded in the apartment.

We all know, though you completely excuse the person responsible for any potential abduction that this person also shares the blame.

[jassi]

I can see why the McCanns needed to search their apartment, but not why any of the others had any need to enter. It was not exactly a large apartment  and the McCanns would have been perfectly capable of searching it without assistance.

[John]

Correct. It is utterly obscene that Stephen excuses the action of any potential abductor simply because he is stuck in a mindset where he can only focus on the blame he wishes to place on the parents who have already stated that they are guilty of what he cannot get past and who will live with the guilt of their actions for the rest of their lives. Stephen is so bitter that he cannot see that the blame is not simply that of the McCanns.

He is making excuses for a vile criminal. That is something most people find disgusting.

You are missing the point gilet.  Stephen might repeat the same mantra daily to everyones annoyance but it is true, there is no evidence Madeleine was taken by anyone.  For all we know even now some 7 years down the line she could have opened the front door, wandered off and fallen down a hole.

There is no evidence she was abducted, no evidence she is dead and no evidence she is alive, not even hold up in an Edgar dungeon in Praia da Luz or hidden by some gypsies in a Moroccan fantasy.

ps I never mentioned Sadie.

[gilet]

Do try to read the post more carefully. I state that there was a potential abductor. If you cannot accept that then your ability to understand reality is sorely compromised.

There is no proof as to what happened to Madeleine.

There is however a missing person inquiry being undertaken by experts from SY of which a major focus is abduction.

[stephen25000]

You are missing the point gilet.  Stephen might repeat the same mantra daily to everyones annoyance but it is true, there is no evidence Madeleine was taken by anyone.  For all we know even now some 7 years down the line she could have opened the front door, wandered off and fallen down a hole.

Yes John and I do repeat it fairly often, no quibble on that.

However, I do it in response to the repeated mantra of abduction, and as you rightly pointed out, there is no evidence Madeleine was taken by anyone.

Be careful John, you will now get 'shouted at'.