Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.

[Wonderfulspam]

I believe you may well be correct..........This child was not Maddie

SY know it was.

[pathfinder73]

You won't find a photo of them with the pink blanket. That was my question and that is fact!

[sadie]

An awful big deal about a blanket, which was probably in no fit state to keep after being used for dogs.

  Yep a real big deal !

... but anything will do to kick the Mccanns 

Anything !

[pegasus]

A missing child is wearing short sleeves.
A witness sees a child with long sleeves being carried.
Logic says they are not the same child, IMO.

[Anna]

A missing child is wearing short sleeves.
A witness sees a child with long sleeves being carried.
Logic says they are not the same child, IMO.

I agree, unless of course the witness was mistaken.

[pegasus]

I agree, unless of course the witness was mistaken.

True.
But if the witness was not mistaken, then the long sleeves rule out the "carried in arms" theory IMO.

[sadie]

I agree, unless of course the witness was mistaken.

Or, unless the child had been taken somewhere en route.

The satff quarters were only about 50 metres up the road from where the first Smith sighting was.  Up the same road as Smithman was coming down.

Unhappy tho it is, according to a poster on the 3A's a scream was heard coming from The Staff quarters.

Had he taken her to the staff quarters before carrying on down the road.  Was she shivering?  Did he cover her arms there?



We dont know, do we?

[Anna]

Or, unless the child had been taken somewhere en route.

The satff quarters were only about 50 metres up the road from where the first Smith sighting was.  Up the same road as Smithman was coming down.

Unhappy tho it is, according to a poster on the 3A's a scream was heard coming from The Staff quarters.

Had he taken her to the staff quarters before carrying on down the road.  Was she shivering?  Did he cover her arms there?



We dont know, do we?

Was that Rua de Abril ?

[sadie]

Was that Rua de Abril ?

Nearly missed this.  Am off to bed any time now.

No it was the road that Smithman came down, called Rua d'Escola.  Sometimes it has a longer name which means the same thing.  He walked down there passing, or going into, the Staff Quarters and 50 metres further on met Peter Smiths group.  He was walking in a southerly direction.  As he came to the junction with Rua de Abril he passed Martin Smiths group and then Aiofie on the other side of the road.


We have worked out from Aoifes statement that he did not go in a westerly direction up Rua de Abril

We dont know if he went straight on down the steps towards the sea, or if he turned in an easterly direction towards The Church and Malinkas.  Malinkas flat was only about 40 - 50 metres past Aoifie on Rua de Abril [or maybe set back in a little parking area.]  Not sure, but it was thereabouts. 

Malinka is no longer a suspect.

[Brietta]

A missing child is wearing short sleeves.
A witness sees a child with long sleeves being carried.
Logic says they are not the same child, IMO.

Exactly: so there are at least four of us who agree that the child seen by the Smith family may not have been Madeleine ~ her clothing may have been changed ~ or that Aoife may have been mistaken. 

I think it possible that Aoife’s statement may differ from her mother’s in this regard.

I think it is still possible that the man seen by Jane Tanner is still not completely out of the frame.

I am also of the opinion that the Met know a lot more about all of this than they are (rightly) telling us.

[Lace]

Exactly: so there are at least four of us who agree that the child seen by the Smith family may not have been Madeleine ~ her clothing may have been changed ~ or that Aoife may have been mistaken. 

I think it possible that Aoife’s statement may differ from her mother’s in this regard.

I think it is still possible that the man seen by Jane Tanner is still not completely out of the frame.

I am also of the opinion that the Met know a lot more about all of this than they are (rightly) telling us.

Aoife says she couldn't see the pyjama's clearly as the individual had his arms across the child.    It is possible she saw the top of the pyjama's which did have a short sleeve and presumed they were long sleeved.

[pathfinder73]

Aoife says she couldn't see the pyjama's clearly as the individual had his arms across the child.    It is possible she saw the top of the pyjama's which did have a short sleeve and presumed they were long sleeved.

"Her arms were suspended along her body and were not around the individual's neck."

"Questioned, states that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was sleeping deeply."

"Questioned, says that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was in a deep sleep."

A deep sleep is the normal way to think but this description connects with Eddie's alerts.

"My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant." (Martin Grime)

[John]

I have yet to read the posts made on this thread over the last several days but from posts that have been reported it would appear that certain claims are being made about Smithman and the significance of what the child he was carrying was wearing.

First off, according to the information in the files only one witness made any mention of the long-sleeved pj's and that was young Aoife Smith.  We have no way of knowing if any other member of the Smith family spoke of this however the fact that Gonçalo Amaral made no specific comment about it would appear to support the known facts.

So taking what Aoife reported as being correct for the moment, what are we to deduce?

1. Since the McCann's reported that Madeleine was wearing short-sleeved pj's then the Smith sighting was not of Madeleine.

2. Aoife was mistaken about the sleeves of the pj's and Smithman was indeed carrying Madeleine.

[John]

Exactly: so there are at least four of us who agree that the child seen by the Smith family may not have been Madeleine ~ her clothing may have been changed ~ or that Aoife may have been mistaken. 

I think it possible that Aoife’s statement may differ from her mother’s in this regard.

I think it is still possible that the man seen by Jane Tanner is still not completely out of the frame.

I am also of the opinion that the Met know a lot more about all of this than they are (rightly) telling us.

I believe you could be right about this Brietta but not for the reasons you might think.  I believe Jane did see a carrier that evening and the tourist who purported that it was him is mistaken as are SY.

[Anna]

"Her arms were suspended along her body and were not around the individual's neck."

"Questioned, states that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was sleeping deeply."

"Questioned, says that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was in a deep sleep."

A deep sleep is the normal way to think but this description connects with Eddie's alerts.

"My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant." (Martin Grime)

comment 1....Could you keep your arms around someones neck whilst being carried upright and fast asleep?
comment 2....Can you speak when you are asleep? and if the father spoke, he would risk waking the child
comment 3....Same comment as 2
comment 4....Unrelated to the topic