Luke Mitchell - The other reported knife assaults on girls.

[Nicholas]

I don’t know Danni - I’m not inside Luke Mitchell’s head like Sandra Lean appeared to allude to being during her live Q&A session with Kevin Wells and Jay Mack via their ‘Jibba Jabba’ podcast - that’s why I said ‘possible ritualistic element’

I’m aware the police ruled it out very early on in their investigation - 3 days after


’Jodi murder police rule out ritual killing’ - July 2003
‘DETECTIVES today ruled out a link with Satanism or black magic in the hunt for the killer of murdered schoolgirl Jodi Jones.
They dismissed reports suggesting she had been the victim of a ritual killing and quashed local rumours that she had been disembowelled during a savage knife attack.
Murder squad officers broke their silence today to end speculation.
A spokesman for Lothian and Borders Police said: "We have found no link between Jodi’s death and anything connected with Satanism or black magic. It is not an avenue of inquiry we are following."

https://www.scotsman.com/news/jodi-murder-police-rule-out-ritual-killing-2508436


But then it seems the lawyers for the prosecution introduced it in the murder trial or did that happen after Luke Mitchell was found guilty?

Excerpt from ‘No Smoke’ by Sandra Lean [Allegedly withdrawn from publishers)

‘Still, the prosecution repeated its contention that Luke had "copied" the Black Dahlia murder because, in part, he was so heavily influenced by Manson. Even the Judge, after the jury returned their verdict, would show his complete lack of understanding on this point – i.e., that something which happens after an event cannot possibly have influenced that event’

In reality who’s ‘complete lack of understanding on this point’ was it?

Luke Mitchell
"So what if I am a Goth in a Catholic school? So what if I dress in baggy clothes?

Just because I am more violent than others and cut myself, does that justify some pompous git of a teacher to refer me to a psychiatrist?

"Just because I have chosen to follow the teachings of Satan doesn't mean I need psychiatric help."
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4187007.stm

[Nicholas]

Show me what they have said about the incidents involving Luke Mitchell, girls and knives or do they minimise his behaviour and pretend these domestic abusive incidents didn’t occur?

Excerpt from ‘No Smoke’ by Sandra Lean

‘Although it was clear that Luke indulged in cannabis, the same was true of Jodi – the prosecution tried to imply that Luke had somehow corrupted her, even though he received his cannabis from Jodi‟s cousin! Indeed, several school-friend witnesses were also shown to indulge in cannabis, as was Jodi‟s brother, Joseph, who was also supplied by cousin John [Name removed]. Amidst this particular group, cannabis was hardly an indicator of anything odd or peculiar, yet the claims that it was cannabis which fuelled the „frenzied‟ attack on Jodi were repeatedly reported. Unfortunately, no expert witnesses on the effects of cannabis, or its likelihood of fuelling such an attack were called, either by the prosecution or the defence; however, there is a general understanding that the effects of cannabis are quite the opposite to those claimed by the prosecution’

What about Luke Mitchell’s behaviour?

[Nicholas]

Further excerpt from ‘No Smoke’ by Sandra Lean

‘Another complete red herring was the finding of bottles of urine found in Luke‟s bedroom. Just what, exactly, these had to do with Luke‟s likelihood of having been Jodi‟s murderer is still unclear, yet the finding of these bottles was given great significance by both the prosecution and the press, in a blatant attempt to encourage suspicion and revulsion towards Luke Mitchell.

The police/experts could have considered the ‘bottles of urine’ as evidence of a possible sign of a paraphilia emerging?

Or that his possible paraphilia for collecting and storing his own urine in numerous bottles and wrapping some of them in his socks and putting them in his bedroom drawers was normal?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=66.msg490168#msg490168

[Nicholas]

What ritualistic elements? Are there even rituals for human sacrifice that Luke accessed or could have accessed? I read the relevant part of the Satanic Bible about sacrifice (for this case, not because I was interested otherwise!) and it doesn't go into any rituals or details. And it rules out child sacrifice

Maybe Sandra Lean should have consulted with someone like Richard Hoskins

According to Richard Hoskins, Craig Dobbie consulted with him in order to help him understand why Luke Mitchell murdered [Name removed].

He claims to have been profoundly affected by the [Name removed]'s case
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DyyAmjhB-koC&pg=PT207&lpg=PT207&dq=richard+hoskins+jodi+jones+murder&source=bl&ots=hsAyk5XLGi&sig=Hvf223lApZ2GelCI_ezF_sbyWaw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiA6ZSLw87dAhVBCuwKHVG1DWkQ6AEwAnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=richard%20hoskins%20jodi%20jones%20murder&f=false

[faithlilly]

I’m not sure where the claim came from that Luke had ever seen the watercolours of the Black Dahlia painted by Manson but even Detective Constable  Brunton when on the stand admitted that he was not shown anything that came from Mitchell's home which related to Marilyn Manson in connection with Short.

You can’t copy a painting you’ve never seen and there is no evidence that Luke knew anything about the Black Dahlia case prior to the murder.

[Nicholas]

Were the school aware of Luke Mitchell’s abuse of females and if so what do reports on this say about him?

Does anyone know?

[faithlilly]

Were the school aware of Luke Mitchell’s abuse of females and if so what do reports on this say about him?

Does anyone know?

If the school staff read newspapers then I’m sure that they would have been aware of them.

[Nicholas]

But then it seems the lawyers for the prosecution introduced it in the murder trial or did that happen after Luke Mitchell was found guilty?

Sandra Lean did pick up on this in ‘No Smoke’

Excerpt:
‘The implication is obvious, but the police did nothing to refute or discourage these reports, although they did "break their silence" to quash rumours that the murder had been ritualistic, or had had black magic or satanic connotations (as reported in a few newspapers.) How ironic, then, that this satanic connection would ultimately provide one of the main planks in the prosecution‟s case!


The thing is lawyers - both for the prosecution and the defence will use no end of manipulative tactics and distortions in order to present their case - it’s what they do 

[jixy]

I’m not sure where the claim came from that Luke had ever seen the watercolours of the Black Dahlia painted by Manson but even Detective Constable  Brunton when on the stand admitted that he was not shown anything that came from Mitchell's home which related to Marilyn Manson in connection with Short.

You can’t copy a painting you’ve never seen and there is no evidence that Luke knew anything about the Black Dahlia case prior to the murder.

and that is true, Luke never saw it but it is easier for people to dismiss that fact

[Nicholas]

and that is true, Luke never saw it but it is easier for people to dismiss that fact

Imo, you have no idea what he did and didn’t see

[Nicholas]

Sandra Lean di.... ......ick up on this in ‘No Smoke’

Excerpt:
‘The implication is obvious, but the police did nothing to refute or discourage these reports, although they did "break their silence" to quash rumours that the murder had been ritualistic, or had had black magic or satanic connotations (as reported in a few newspapers.) How ironic, then, that this satanic connection would ultimately provide one of the main planks in the prosecution‟s case!


The thing is lawyers - both for the prosecution and the defence will use no end of manipulative tactics and distortions in order to present their case - it’s what they do

Again - I don’t use words like this

[faithlilly]

Imo, you have no idea what he did and didn’t see

There is absolutely no evidence he saw it.

[jixy]

Imo, you have no idea what he did and didn’t see

YOU don't have any idea about any of it yet devote your life to it 

[jixy]

There is absolutely no evidence he saw it.

We know but some won't believe it no matter how many times they are told

[faithlilly]

We know but some won't believe it no matter how many times they are told

It’s such a waste of energy to get irate over something that may not have happened.