Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?

[Mr Gray]

Your post only reveals the true desperation of the mccann supporter.

Haven't used got it yet.

The Portuguese only reopened the investigation because of political pressure.

They know the SY 'investigation' is going nowhere.


One good thing, is you said vanished, not 'abducted'.

So progress has been made.

you are absolutely  right...so the pj have lied too

[stephen25000]

you are absolutely  right...so the pj have lied too

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[Brietta]

Your post only reveals the true desperation of the mccann supporter.

Haven't used got it yet.

The Portuguese only reopened the investigation because of political pressure.

They know the SY 'investigation' is going nowhere.


One good thing, is you said vanished, not 'abducted'.

So progress has been made.

What a shallow post; re-opening Madeleine McCann’s case was a sovereign decision taken by the Portuguese and why you object so much to the renewed hope for a missing little girl’s case to be resolved must remain a matter for your own conscience.

However yet again you have made statements without any corroboration; in my own case you imply that my use of “vanished” as opposed to “abducted” is misleading as you know perfectly well I believe Madeleine was “abducted” “kidnapped” “snatched” “stolen” “missing” but most certainly taken by a stranger.
However I am glad that my use of a particular word is pleasing to you, just don’t attempt to make it say something it is not.

Secondly in relation to the new PJ investigation you say “political pressure” again without corroboration.

In democracies it is absurd to suppose the police act in isolation of politicians, but I can give you a cite that at least one Portuguese politicians had no idea what the PJ were doing re Madeleine’s case.

Your turn … give me a source to support your statement. 

 - Snipped from BBC PANORAMA -

RICHARD BILTON: We understand that in the Algarve there has been some low level animosity at the arrival of British officers. Operation Grange has no jurisdiction in Portugal and only the Portuguese can re-open the case so much of the British work over the last year has been spent reassuring their colleagues here that its a joint effort. But just last month the idea that the Portuguese themselves would have a case review was unheard of.

SANDRA FELGUEIRAS: Madeleine McCann case now in Portugal is a file that is closed. Its an old story, a closed story. We don’t have any news about it. The last information I got this morning from our Public Prosecutor was that even knowing that you in UK are trying to solve the case again with Scotland Yard, with the Scotland Yard as an investigatiion, they are telling here in Portugal that there’s no investigation, that they are not going to re-open the case.

RB: Is there a review of the case here in Portugal?

CARLOS ANJOS: (translated) No, no I don’t think so. I think its too delicate to roll. It calls into question the reputation of the police and I don’t thing the Chief of Police would risk it.

RB: It was only while we were in Portugal that things began to change. We contacted a well-known politician here, Ana Maria Gomes, to get her to ask questions.

ANA MARIA GOMES: According to the information I got the Portuguese Police is also conducting a review.

RB: Who told you there is a Portuguese review then?

ANA MARIA GOMES: I called the Director of the National Criminal Police. His deputy told me that. Its a review of the procedures that were followed in the investigation.

RB: Why does nobody here in Portugal know about this review?

ANA MARIA GOMES: Well, I don’t know. Public opinion here in Portugal now is so upset and concerned with the economic crisis and its job destruction and so on but this is a very important case, first and foremost to find out what happened to Madeleine and to make sure that the Portuguese justice and political system is properly seen outside of Portugal.

RB: Within a week of our interview the Portuguese Police finally confirmed that a team based in the northern city of Porto, well away from the original investigation, has been reviewing the case for the last year.

UNNAMED PT SPOKESMAN: (translated) A network has been carried out discreetly and it will continue to be carried out discreetly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2012/panorama-maddie.html

[Wonderfulspam]

in his statement Gerry says the authorities were alerted immediately...you want to ignore that bit too

Not by him they weren't.

[stephen25000]

What a shallow post; re-opening Madeleine McCann’s case was a sovereign decision taken by the Portuguese and why you object so much to the renewed hope for a missing little girl’s case to be resolved must remain a matter for your own conscience.

However yet again you have made statements without any corroboration; in my own case you imply that my use of “vanished” as opposed to “abducted” is misleading as you know perfectly well I believe Madeleine was “abducted” “kidnapped” “snatched” “stolen” “missing” but most certainly taken by a stranger.
However I am glad that my use of a particular word is pleasing to you, just don’t attempt to make it say something it is not.

Secondly in relation to the new PJ investigation you say “political pressure” again without corroboration.

In democracies it is absurd to suppose the police act in isolation of politicians, but I can give you a cite that at least one Portuguese politicians had no idea what the PJ were doing re Madeleine’s case.

Your turn … give me a source to support your statement. 

 - Snipped from BBC PANORAMA -

RICHARD BILTON: We understand that in the Algarve there has been some low level animosity at the arrival of British officers. Operation Grange has no jurisdiction in Portugal and only the Portuguese can re-open the case so much of the British work over the last year has been spent reassuring their colleagues here that its a joint effort. But just last month the idea that the Portuguese themselves would have a case review was unheard of.

SANDRA FELGUEIRAS: Madeleine McCann case now in Portugal is a file that is closed. Its an old story, a closed story. We don’t have any news about it. The last information I got this morning from our Public Prosecutor was that even knowing that you in UK are trying to solve the case again with Scotland Yard, with the Scotland Yard as an investigatiion, they are telling here in Portugal that there’s no investigation, that they are not going to re-open the case.

RB: Is there a review of the case here in Portugal?

CARLOS ANJOS: (translated) No, no I don’t think so. I think its too delicate to roll. It calls into question the reputation of the police and I don’t thing the Chief of Police would risk it.

RB: It was only while we were in Portugal that things began to change. We contacted a well-known politician here, Ana Maria Gomes, to get her to ask questions.

ANA MARIA GOMES: According to the information I got the Portuguese Police is also conducting a review.

RB: Who told you there is a Portuguese review then?

ANA MARIA GOMES: I called the Director of the National Criminal Police. His deputy told me that. Its a review of the procedures that were followed in the investigation.

RB: Why does nobody here in Portugal know about this review?

ANA MARIA GOMES: Well, I don’t know. Public opinion here in Portugal now is so upset and concerned with the economic crisis and its job destruction and so on but this is a very important case, first and foremost to find out what happened to Madeleine and to make sure that the Portuguese justice and political system is properly seen outside of Portugal.

RB: Within a week of our interview the Portuguese Police finally confirmed that a team based in the northern city of Porto, well away from the original investigation, has been reviewing the case for the last year.

UNNAMED PT SPOKESMAN: (translated) A network has been carried out discreetly and it will continue to be carried out discreetly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2012/panorama-maddie.html

You can believe in pink flying elephants as far as I am concerned.

It does not mean an abduction took place.

I have yet to hear a coherent account of the evidence of 'abduction'.

Now as you know, without an 'abduction', there is only one place to go...................


Now let's if you or any other poster can provide clear unadulterated and reinforced evidence to show an abduction took place.

CONVINCE ME. 

[sadie]

Strange isn't it, that this Paedophile gang operating in PDL, hadn't abducted any children from there prior to Madeleines disappearence, during or after for that matter either.

Hrrumph

Now it might not have been the same gang, but just over 4 months before Madeleine was taken, blond, 3 year old, pretty Carolina Santos was walked off by a stranger. 


 ... fortunately Carolinas parents noticed her missing and looked out to see her being walked off, hand in hand with a man .... and they were some distance away before they saw it.  THey called her back.  He walked around the corner out of sight.... and vanished.


It happened about 18 miles away from PdL

That was an abduction, short lived tho it was.  And under 5 months before Madeleines.



2.  And despite the Law having decided otherwise, Joana Cipriano was almost certainly another abduction.

Less than 3 years before Madeleine went and ONLY 7 miles away, Joana vanished.

Joana ... a pretty and vivacious 7 year old, again fair haired, vanished whilst on an errand for her Mum in the village of Figuiera.  It was dark by the time she was walking home from a delicatessen/ cake shop just 350 yards from home (short cut route down the bank.)

So quite probably two abductions and certainly one in under 3 years before Madeleine vanished.  Both within about 18 miles of PdL.



What I keep thinking is that:

The abduction 4 months before of Carolina failed, so was Madeleine taken as a substitute, to fulfil an evil need of a certain man ... and possibly of the group behind him?

Dunno, but it isn't that unlikely imo.

[Wonderfulspam]

Hrrumph

Now it might not have been the same gang, but just over 4 months before Madeleine was taken, blond, 3 year old, pretty Carolina Santos was walked off by a stranger. 


 ... fortunately Carolinas parents noticed her missing and looked out to see her being walked off, hand in hand with a man .... and they were some distance away before they saw it.  THey called her back.  He walked around the corner out of sight.... and vanished.


It happened about 18 miles away from PdL

That was an abduction, short lived tho it was.  And under 5 months before Madeleines.



2.  And despite the Law having decided otherwise, Joana Cipriano was almost certainly another abduction.

Less than 3 years before Madeleine went and ONLY 7 miles away, Joana vanished.

Joana ... a pretty and vivacious 7 year old, again fair haired, vanished whilst on an errand for her Mum in the village of Figuiera.  It was dark by the time she was walking home from a delicatessen/ cake shop just 350 yards from home (short cut route down the bank.)

So quite probably two abductiona and certainly one in under 3 years before Madeleine vanished.  Both within about 18 miles of PdL.



What I keep thinking is that:

The abduction 4 months before of Carolina failed, so was Madeleine taken as a substitute, to fulfil an evil need of a certain man ... and possibly of the group behind him?

Dunno, but it isn't that unlikely imo.

Joana was almost certainly another abduction?

Why almost certainly, what might have happened to the fair haired Joana, other than abduction then sadie?

[Brietta]

You can believe in pink flying elephants as far as I am concerned.

It does not mean an abduction took place.

I have yet to hear a coherent account of the evidence of 'abduction'.

Now as you know, without an 'abduction', there is only one place to go...................


Now let's if you or any other poster can provide clear unadulterated and reinforced evidence to show an abduction took place.

CONVINCE ME. 

With respect, Stephen, you are not important enough to convince; the people who really matter in the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance are convinced enough to be pulling out all the stops in pursuit of the perpetrator/s; and that satisfies me perfectly.

In case you missed it ... neither the Met or the PJ consider Madeleine's parents or their friends to be persons of interest; wonder what they know that you don't - bet it is a substantial amount.

[Lace]

Your post only reveals the true desperation of the mccann supporter.

Haven't used got it yet.

The Portuguese only reopened the investigation because of political pressure.

They know the SY 'investigation' is going nowhere.


One good thing, is you said vanished, not 'abducted'.

So progress has been made.

Please give proof that the Portuguese only reopened the investigation because of political pressure Stephen.

[stephen25000]

Please give proof that the Portuguese only reopened the investigation because of political pressure Stephen.

I presume you are being serious ?

[Lace]

I presume you are being serious ?

Yes I am being serious,    you are stating it as fact.

[stephen25000]

Yes I am being serious,    you are stating it as fact.

As you know, the Portuguese initially refused to reopen the case.

Pressure was applied.

[Brietta]

As you know, the Portuguese initially refused to reopen the case.

Pressure was applied.

Then you need to tell us by whom and when.

Corroboration of your statements would be welcomed.

[stephen25000]

With respect, Stephen, you are not important enough to convince; the people who really matter in the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance are convinced enough to be pulling out all the stops in pursuit of the perpetrator/s; and that satisfies me perfectly.

In case you missed it ... neither the Met or the PJ consider Madeleine's parents or their friends to be persons of interest; wonder what they know that you don't - bet it is a substantial amount.

i.e. There is none and you know it.


Everything else is waffle.


Pulling out all the stops...............

The investigation has revealed nothing.

There is no trace of Madeleine.


You can believe in fantasies of Madeleine being found with a really nice family, or whichever other fantasy of a return you may happen to believe in.

[Alice Purjorick]

Strange isn't it, that this Paedophile gang operating in PDL, hadn't abducted any children from there prior to Madeleines disappearence, during or after for that matter either.

Ar! but wot yo fail to oonderstand is in the context of Portugal this really means that the place is bloody heavin' with paedophoil gangs but the whole bloody judiciary, population and tourists of varying nationalities are all in a stonkin great conspiracy to oosh it all oop loik.