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stephen25000

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Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?
« on: August 25, 2014, 09:21:06 AM »
How good is SY in reality.

In recent history there has been a litany of cases and situations where it's reputation for law enforcement has been caste in to serious light.

Below is a link to the view of Yvonne Ridley, a name some will know.

Last week an anti-terror cop was sent down for 15 months for trying to sell a story to the News of the World. April Cashburn wasn’t some lowly grunt at the bottom of the pile – she was a detective chief inspector involved largely in counter terrorism.

...In fact the Yard’s counterterrorism activities leave much to be desired, as a catalogue of incompetence and flawed intelligence attests. Take, for instance, the shooting of the innocent Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes, who was mistaken for a suicide bomber in 2005.

...who can forget the fiasco, a year later, of the Forest Gate raid in which hundreds of officers swooped on an East London street, claiming one of the homes was a base for the manufacture of deadly chemicals? During the raid Mohammed Abdul Kahar was shot at close range inside his own home. As they frantically back-pedalled when not even so much as an asprin was found, police had plenty of words to say about the shooting of an innocent man but “sorry” was not one of them – until officers were ordered to apologise for the botched raid.


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Offline jassi

Re: Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2014, 12:51:09 PM »
They are technologically very advanced, but if technology fails to provide the answer, then  they are probably no better than many other police forces.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

ferryman

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Re: Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 01:32:06 PM »
Are there any instances of people in England still behind bars despite it being proved that that the person(s) convicted had first had the sh!t beaten out of them by Scotland Yard Officers?

Offline sadie

Re: Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 03:30:11 PM »
Topic: Is SY all it's cracked up to be ? 

Let's wait and see.  They are being thorough and everything seems to be going smoothly atm

AS Ferryman says
Are there any instances of people in England still behind bars despite it being proved that that the person(s) convicted had first had the sh!t beaten out of them by Scotland Yard Officers?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 03:35:35 PM »
So who is better than SY?   ...who is doing abetter job?  This is a pathetic attempt to undermine SY's support for the mccanns ...can anyone name a better police force...what about the PJ...as regularly featured on amnesty internationals website

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 03:37:32 PM »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 03:39:37 PM »
this one for Germany...

Every year, around 2,000 complaints police brutality in Germany are reported – and the figure could be higher because not every case is reported. But one case is so brutal that it is unforgettable – it involves 23 year old Teresa Z. from Munich. In an image, her whole face is bruised, and her nose and eye socket are broken. She had called the police after a fight with her boyfriend got out of hand. But in the end, the worst blows didn't come from her partner but a police officer - out of self defense, he says. The investigation is ongoing.



Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2014, 04:21:35 PM »
I'll ask again, what measures should we be using when judging how "cracked up" SY is meant to be?  I know anecdotally The Met is often cited as one of the very best police forces in the world but how would we go about measuring this?  Any ideas people?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2014, 04:32:29 PM »
I'll ask again, what measures should we be using when judging how "cracked up" SY is meant to be?  I know anecdotally The Met is often cited as one of the very best police forces in the world but how would we go about measuring this?  Any ideas people?

It doesn't really matter because if someone undertook a huge study that proved SY was the best Stephen and others wouldn't accept it...it's basically  attempt to discredit anyone who supports the McCanns

Offline Angelo222

Re: Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2014, 04:36:34 PM »
Today, the Metropolitan Police Service employs around 31,000 officers together with about 13,000 police staff and 2,600 Police Community Support Officers (PCSOs). The MPS is also being supported by more than 5,100 volunteer police officers in the Metropolitan Special Constabulary (MSC) and its Employer Supported Policing (ESP) programme. The Metropolitan Police Services covers an area of 620 square miles and a population of 7.2 million (Pop of Scotland times 1.5).

It's not surprising that the odd rotten apple is exposed given the size of the organisation but is it too big might be a more appropriate question.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2014, 04:39:48 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Angelo222

Re: Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2014, 04:37:25 PM »
It doesn't really matter because if someone undertook a huge study that proved SY was the best Stephen and others wouldn't accept it...it's basically  attempt to discredit anyone who supports the McCanns

But do they?
« Last Edit: August 25, 2014, 04:41:16 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2014, 04:43:28 PM »
But do they?

I would say they certainly do

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2014, 04:51:02 PM »
There is ample evidence that the Met is supportive of the McCanns and none whatsoever that they regard them as suspects.  However this won't stop some people deluding themselves into believing that the Met are building a case against the McCanns and are doing it in a very cunning, softly, softly catchee monkey kind of a way.  Mark my words these same people will be clinging on to this vain hope for the rest of their days, no matter what the outcome of this investigation.