The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.

[pegasus]

Re SQ locations, "about 10 minutes on foot from ... place of work" indicates PBrancas (an estimated 7 minutes walk from main reception) is more likely than Cristaluz (much closer).

[sadie]

Re SQ locations, "about 10 minutes on foot from ... place of work" indicates PBrancas (an estimated 7 minutes walk from main reception) is more likely than Cristaluz (much closer).

Who was that time referring to Pegasus?  I make it 0.27 miles from S.Q. to Main Reception = 5 mins?

I agree that it was unlikely to be Cristaluz

Was the person maybe working at the Millenium Restaurant or somewhere there?

[pegasus]

Who was that time referring to Pegasus?  I make it 0.27 miles from S.Q. to Main Reception = 5 mins?

I agree that it was unlikely to be Cristaluz

Was the person maybe working at the Millenium Restaurant or somewhere there?

I am measuring to Rua Direita main building, not Millenium. Including at one end time to go down stairs or lift, and at other end time to go up stairs, I am making it about 7 or 8 minutes.

[sadie]

I am measuring to Rua Direita main building, not Millenium. Including at one end time to go down stairs or lift, and at other end time to go up stairs, I am making it about 7 or 8 minutes.

No stairs that I am aware of before SQ.   You must have taken a different route


At average walking speed only 5 mins, I think, but people often are vague about times , so .....?

[pegasus]

No stairs that I am aware of before SQ.   You must have taken a different route


At average walking speed only 5 mins, I think, but people often are vague about times , so .....?

After measuring the time taken to walk from outside one building to outside another building I add more time to go down internal stairs at one end and go up internal stairs at other end.

[sadie]

After measuring the time taken to walk from outside one building to outside another building I add more time to go down internal stairs at one end and go up internal stairs at other end.

ORLY ?  How many flights?

Do you know that happened?

[pegasus]

It is nothing to do with what happened, we are simply debating about measuring distances.
Like Mr Brunt measuring the distance from the table to the children, he did not measure the whole distance at all, he only measured as far as the pavement outside a gate, where certainly there were no children sleeping, and he left out the essential 25 further paces through gate and up steps and through lounge and diner to get to the children.

[sadie]

It is nothing to do with what happened, we are simply debating about measuring distances.
Like Mr Brunt measuring the distance from the table to the children, he did not measure the whole distance at all, he only measured as far as the pavement outside a gate, where certainly there were no children sleeping, and he left out the essential 25 further paces through gate and up steps and through lounge and diner to get to the children.

That's valid, so long as he makes it clear what he is measuring.

But do we know that steps were climbed and walked down?  Was reception upstairs?  I find that unusual cos suitcases are often taken to reception and it is usually at ground level, right close to the entrance to the hotel

Personally I find it better to talk one entrance to the other, becuse that is kind of the datum .. a standard.


Forgive me for being so picky, Pegasus,  but it is my engineering background.  We always had a good solid datum that was definite (in this case , door to door) ... and worked on from that.


I dont know if there were any steps involved, do you?

[pegasus]

That's valid, so long as he makes it clear what he is measuring.

But do we know that steps were climbed and walked down?  Was reception upstairs?  I find that unusual cos suitcases are often taken to reception and it is usually at ground level, right close to the entrance to the hotel

Personally I find it better to talk one entrance to the other, becuse that is kind of the datum .. a standard.


Forgive me for being so picky, Pegasus,  but it is my engineering background.  We always had a good solid datum that was definite (in this case , door to door) ... and worked on from that.


I dont know if there were any steps involved, do you?

If smithman was an innocent dad and daughter (as I think) I already said one possibility is he had parked in that parking area just north of the sighting and was just walking from his vehicle to his home and if so it can be deduced that parking closer to his home is scarce. But another of the possibilities is this innocent dad and daughter might have been visiting friends/relatives in this building which is just north of the sighting, which has many apartments and 7 floors so it does have stairs and lifts.

[sadie]

If smithman was an innocent dad and daughter (as I think) I already said one possibility is he had parked in that parking area just north of the sighting and was just walking from his vehicle to his home and if so it can be deduced that parking closer to his home is scarce. But another of the possibilities is this innocent dad and daughter might have been visiting friends/relatives in this building which is just north of the sighting, which has many apartments and 7 floors so it does have stairs and lifts.

I think the efits are an indicator that Smithman was up to no good

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5256.msg189297#new

Re: The Smith sighting revisited.
« Reply #134 on: Today at 12:17:53 AM »


The RH image was produced of a man who was so avoiding his face being seen, that his chin was thrust down into the folds of his neck.  That is not normal.  He was hiding something. imo.

Before, I was happy to go along with your parking theory, but based upon an analysis of the way he was holding his head to hide his face, I now think that he was carrying Madeleine

[pegasus]

I think the efits are an indicator that Smithman was up to no good

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5256.msg189297#new

Re: The Smith sighting revisited.
« Reply #134 on: Today at 12:17:53 AM »


The RH image was produced of a man who was so avoiding his face being seen, that his chin was thrust down into the folds of his neck.  That is not normal.  He was hiding something. imo.

Before, I was happy to go along with your parking theory, but based upon an analysis of the way he was holding his head to hide his face, I now think that he was carrying Madeleine

If you do efits of two men, one of whom has a much broader chin than the other, chances are one of the efits will have a broader chin than the other.

[sadie]

If you do efits of two men, one of whom has a much broader chin than the other, chances are one of the efits will have a broader chin than the other.

The whole face is foreshortened Pegasus.  Can you not see that?  It is foreshortened because he has his face inclined down as far as he vcan push it ... right into the folds of his neck and chest.

They haven't actually given him a chin.  Maybe it was so indistinct that they decided to do the equivalent of an egg face with his chin ... just leave it unclear where the chin actually was?

[pegasus]

This building is mentioned only once in the files by name (Processos vol 4 page 868-9) but more times without name.

[VIXTE]

This is a very interesting thread. I spent an hour reading it in detail. I somehow don't agree with the routes suggested.

I would use the GNR dogs route and a car parked right next to small OC reception where the dogs lost the trail.
The same person might have ended up seen by the Smiths and why is that? This would be a real mystery as with anything else in this case.

I keep thinking that something happen there what is not logical and not expected and this is why this case has taken too long to solve.
 

[Eleanor]

This is a very interesting thread. I spent an hour reading it in detail. I somehow don't agree with the routes suggested.

I would use the GNR dogs route and a car parked right next to small OC reception where the dogs lost the trail.
The same person might have ended up seen by the Smiths and why is that? This would be a real mystery as with anything else in this case.

I keep thinking that something happen there what is not logical and not expected and this is why this case has taken too long to solve.

It is quite logical if you accept that the man Jane Tanner saw was the abductor..  And there is no reason to suppose that he wasn't.  Unless anyone can explain why this other man was coming from entirely the wrong direction.