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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2014, 10:30:50 PM »
I agree with that.

However I am not hopeful of her still being alive and believe she died that evening.

I think you are almost certainly correct

Offline Mr Gray

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2014, 08:14:07 AM »
Just to point out...I rate the dogs highly...that's why dogs are so widely used...bit they are used to find evidence..solid evidence that can be used in court...the dogs found nothing here

Offline xtina

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2014, 08:48:57 AM »
EVRD OPERATIONAL CASEWORK EXAMPLES

Northern Ireland, UK
A missing person, last seen returning from church, on foot, in N. Ireland. The
search of suspects 'burnt out vehicle' by forensic scientists did not reveal any
evidence. A search by the E.V.R.D. identified a position in the rear passenger
foot well where the dog alerted to the presence of human material. A sample
was taken and when analysed revealed the victims' DNA. The enquiry then
concentrated its efforts on the suspect and the E.V.R.D. located the body of
the woman in a river bank deposition site. Further searches identified a
 
Vol. IX p. 2482

location where the E.V.R.D. alerted in the front bedroom of the offenders
empty next door dwelling house. When interviewed the suspect admitted that
the body had lain in the room for 1 hour prior to disposal. Forensic teams
were unable to extract any forensic evidence despite being shown the exact
position.

Wiltshire, UK
A female was abducted by her ex-boyfriend. Intelligence suggested that her
ex-boy friend had taken her to his house. A search by the EVRD of the house
resulted in small blood stains being alert indicated and forensically confirmed
as her blood. The suspect, a builder, was in possession of a van. This was
searched and the EVRD dog alerted to a 'wacker plate', spirtit level, and
shovel. A site was identified where the suspect had been working. The EVRD
then located the body deposition site in an area of a garbage base that had
been prepared by the suspect. He had returned with the dead girl, dug a
grave in the centre, placed the body in the hole, replaced the spoil and then
used the shovel, wacker plate and spirit level to return the ground to its
original state.

Devon, UK
A female was abducted and her whereabouts were unknown. The suspect
was a bus driver. An initial search by the E.V.R.D. alerted at a location near
to a sighting of the suspect in suspicious circumstances. A forensic search at
the alert location revealed a small button off of the girls clothing in long grass.
The offender confessed to the murder and confirmed her body had been
initially temporarily placed at the dog's alert location.

Cornwall, UK
A woman was reported missing by her partner. A search of the suspects
house by the EVRD was conducted who indicated on the living room carpet.
No forensic evidence was recovered. Subsequently a diary written by the
suspect was alert indicated by the dog. The diary had written extracts that the
offender had laid the victim on the carpet whilst dead, the diary had in fact
been written by the suspect having handled the body. This was confirmed by
the offender in interview.

New Mexico, U.S.A.
A witness reported having seen two men walk off into brush land carrying a
spade and a corpse. The area was searched with the EVRD with no
indications being forthcoming. Other assets were utilised and the body was
found: buried at a depth of 8 feet, under the water table, 3 feet of cement and
5 feet of earth replaced on top the corpse that was wrapped in cling film.
There being no scent available to the dog to receive there was no forthcoming
 
Vol IX p. 2483

CSI HUMAN BLOOD DETECTING DOG

'Keela' The Crime Scene Investigation (C.S.I.) dog will search for and locate
exclusively human blood. She will locate contaminated weapons, screen
motor vehicles and items of clothing and examine crime scenes for human
blood deposits. She will accurately locate human blood on items that have
been subjected to 'clean up operations' or having been subjected to several
washing machine cycles. In training she has accurately located samples of
blood on property up to thirty-six years old.
 
 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 09:08:25 PM by John »
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

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stephen25000

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Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2014, 08:55:15 AM »
EVRD OPERATIONAL CASEWORK EXAMPLES

Northern Ireland, UK
A missing person, last seen returning from church, on foot, in N. Ireland. The
search of suspects 'burnt out vehicle' by forensic scientists did not reveal any
evidence. A search by the E.V.R.D. identified a position in the rear passenger
foot well where the dog alerted to the presence of human material. A sample
was taken and when analysed revealed the victims' DNA. The enquiry then
concentrated its efforts on the suspect and the E.V.R.D. located the body of
the woman in a river bank deposition site. Further searches identified a
 
Vol. IX p. 2482

location where the E.V.R.D. alerted in the front bedroom of the offenders
empty next door dwelling house. When interviewed the suspect admitted that
the body had lain in the room for 1 hour prior to disposal. Forensic teams
were unable to extract any forensic evidence despite being shown the exact
position.

Wiltshire, UK
A female was abducted by her ex-boyfriend. Intelligence suggested that her
ex-boy friend had taken her to his house. A search by the EVRD of the house
resulted in small blood stains being alert indicated and forensically confirmed
as her blood. The suspect, a builder, was in possession of a van. This was
searched and the EVRD dog alerted to a 'wacker plate', spirtit level, and
shovel. A site was identified where the suspect had been working. The EVRD
then located the body deposition site in an area of a garbage base that had
been prepared by the suspect. He had returned with the dead girl, dug a
grave in the centre, placed the body in the hole, replaced the spoil and then
used the shovel, wacker plate and spirit level to return the ground to its
original state.

Devon, UK
A female was abducted and her whereabouts were unknown. The suspect
was a bus driver. An initial search by the E.V.R.D. alerted at a location near
to a sighting of the suspect in suspicious circumstances. A forensic search at
the alert location revealed a small button off of the girls clothing in long grass.
The offender confessed to the murder and confirmed her body had been
initially temporarily placed at the dog's alert location.

Cornwall, UK
A woman was reported missing by her partner. A search of the suspects
house by the EVRD was conducted who indicated on the living room carpet.
No forensic evidence was recovered. Subsequently a diary written by the
suspect was alert indicated by the dog. The diary had written extracts that the
offender had laid the victim on the carpet whilst dead, the diary had in fact
been written by the suspect having handled the body. This was confirmed by
the offender in interview.

New Mexico, U.S.A.
A witness reported having seen two men walk off into brush land carrying a
spade and a corpse. The area was searched with the EVRD with no
indications being forthcoming. Other assets were utilised and the body was
found: buried at a depth of 8 feet, under the water table, 3 feet of cement and
5 feet of earth replaced on top the corpse that was wrapped in cling film.
There being no scent available to the dog to receive there was no forthcoming
 
Vol IX p. 2483

CSI HUMAN BLOOD DETECTING DOG

'Keela' The Crime Scene Investigation (C.S.I.) dog will search for and locate
exclusively human blood. She will locate contaminated weapons, screen
motor vehicles and items of clothing and examine crime scenes for human
blood deposits. She will accurately locate human blood on items that have
been subjected to 'clean up operations' or having been subjected to several
washing machine cycles. In training she has accurately located samples of
blood on property up to thirty-six years old.
 
 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm


Thank you Xtina for that.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 09:08:53 PM by John »

Offline xtina

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2014, 09:09:47 AM »

Thank you Xtina for that.

your welcome


its incredible how they insult ...all those who only crime is to get to the truth .....and aid and abet IMO the crime committed by the mccs..

but the short answer to that i would guess...is [ edited ] they don't want the truth to be known....
« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 09:10:32 PM by John »
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

stephen25000

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Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2014, 09:15:18 AM »
your welcome


its incredible how they insult ...all those who only crime is to get to the truth .....and aid and abet IMO the crime committed by the mccs..

but the short answer to that i would guess...is [ edited ] they don't want the truth to be known....

Precisely.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 09:10:58 PM by John »

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2014, 10:31:09 AM »
So Grime said that it is possible the dog was alerting to cadaver scent...only possible....not a confirmation

The crux of my post was that your thread intro was a contrived misquotation.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

ferryman

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Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2014, 10:40:51 AM »
Alfred Jones

Hang on a minute...if Eddie will alert to a smell at some distance from the source of that smell, then the source of that smell may well be (for example) dried blood from a living human, in a different part of the room or building.  The blood dog however would not alert to the same spot as Eddie would do in that case, so the dog alert would be classed (by some) as showing the one time presence of a cadaver but this would not necessarily be the case.  Sorry, if this has all been said before but it's only just occurred to me!

And Brietta replies:

I do not believe it has been said before ... wood and trees and should have gone to specsavers all pop into the same sentence.

Just as there was no cadaver alert to the Renault or to Cuddlecat in the cupboard or to behind the couch in 5a I have come to the conclusion that neither was there a cadaver alert in the bedroom of 5a.

There was such an investment in these so called alerts that some of us should have known better than to take them at face value, which is what we indisputably have done.

Eddie might have alerted downstairs to a scent that was the residue of Paul Gordon's shaving cut upstairs, and/or any of the numerous other people known to have bled in apartment 5a ...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2014, 10:53:17 AM »
The crux of my post was that your thread intro was a contrived misquotation.

Those are grimes exact words...no misquote

Offline Luz

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2014, 11:50:43 AM »
We know what evidence mean and we know what reliable means...so Grime is saying that the alerts are not reliable evidence...what's your interpretation of these words.

We don't want another 100 pages of the dogs don't lie...very specifically...what does Grime mean

Since you are so intelligent you should know that reliability evidence means other forensic corroboration to the dog's alerts. FSS took care that never happened.

Just because the dog's alerts can't be used as evidence in court, since they do not clarify who they are signaling to, it doesn't mean they are not important evidence for the Investigation.

You better review those disturbing reports if not the videos.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2014, 01:48:58 PM »
Those are grimes exact words...no misquote

Indeed but with a few words missing which changes the sense a little (by accident or design one wonders)
Back to the plot however, if one reads Mr Grime's quote in full it is somewhat obvious what it means. 
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2014, 02:54:07 PM »
Indeed but with a few words missing which changes the sense a little (by accident or design one wonders)
Back to the plot however, if one reads Mr Grime's quote in full it is somewhat obvious what it means.

so it is not a misquote but quoted out of context...

yes it is obvious...the alerts as regards evidence or intelligence are not reliable
« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 09:15:04 PM by John »

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #57 on: September 17, 2014, 04:06:10 PM »
so it is not a misquote but quoted out of context...

yes it is obvious...the alerts as regards evidence or intelligence are not reliable

An over simplistic assessment.
Is that deliberate in order to present a particular viewpoint or because you don't really understand what Mr Grime said?
« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 09:15:20 PM by John »
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2014, 04:11:12 PM »
An over simplistic assessment.
Is that deliberate in order to present a particular viewpoint or because you don't really understand what Mr Grime said?

Cut the constant criticism and give us your understanding then...simple...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2014, 11:15:59 PM »
An over simplistic assessment.
Is that deliberate in order to present a particular viewpoint or because you don't really understand what Mr Grime said?
I'm probably one of the few on this forum who does understand what Grime  said.