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stephen25000

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Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #75 on: September 18, 2014, 10:17:45 AM »
No great problem there ... if it won't stand up in court ... whether 'evidential reliability' or 'evidence' is mere semantics.

Eddie's 'alerts' would not have borne the scrutiny of a court if in fact they were considered admissable in the first place.

Now let's see what happens if and when a body is found.

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Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #76 on: September 18, 2014, 10:24:52 AM »
Now let's see what happens if and when a body is found.

Finding a body seems to be your preferred option ... let's wait and see if there are any clues to Madeleine McCann's whereabouts still in existence.

Finding a living breathing person is my preferred option.  Either way the only chance to find out anything is for the Met to be allowed to proceed with the investigation with as little hinderance as possible.
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Offline Benice

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #77 on: September 18, 2014, 10:33:33 AM »
The pathetic response dave as per normal comes from you.

I know perfectly well what evidential reliability means.

it does not mean the indications aren't evidence.

That is why you and other mccann supporters keep returning to this.

Now where in Martin Grimes statement does it say the dogs didn't possibly alert to a body ?

Or more to the point where does Martin Grimes state that a dead body had definitely been in situ wherever Eddie alerted. 

No-one is disputing the possibility that a cadaver could be one of many reasons for an alert.    It is the contention by some people that a cadaver is the ONLY reason for an alert -  to the exclusion of all the other reasons given by Grime which is in dispute imo.   

Despite stringent forensic testing - no evidence was found to corroborate that one particular possibility - i.e. that the dogs were alerting to material from a cadaver.     Therefore the 'requirements', (as described by Martin Grime himself,) for the alerts to be regarded as evidence that Eddie was alerting to a dead body -  were not fulfilled.   

No amount of playing with words or wishful thinking will change that fact.
 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #78 on: September 18, 2014, 10:38:16 AM »
You need to understand the difference between evidential reliability and  the word evidence.

explain the difference

Offline slartibartfast

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #79 on: September 18, 2014, 12:17:35 PM »
explain the difference

If a car is unreliable, it doesn't stop being a car.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #80 on: September 18, 2014, 12:20:14 PM »
If a car is unreliable, it doesn't stop being a car.

is that the best you can do?

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Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #81 on: September 18, 2014, 12:22:06 PM »
 
is that the best you can do?

Is that the best you can do?
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stephen25000

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Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #82 on: September 18, 2014, 12:27:20 PM »
Or more to the point where does Martin Grimes state that a dead body had definitely been in situ wherever Eddie alerted. 

No-one is disputing the possibility that a cadaver could be one of many reasons for an alert.    It is the contention by some people that a cadaver is the ONLY reason for an alert -  to the exclusion of all the other reasons given by Grime which is in dispute imo.   

Despite stringent forensic testing - no evidence was found to corroborate that one particular possibility - i.e. that the dogs were alerting to material from a cadaver.     Therefore the 'requirements', (as described by Martin Grime himself,) for the alerts to be regarded as evidence that Eddie was alerting to a dead body -  were not fulfilled.   

No amount of playing with words or wishful thinking will change that fact.

Once again.

The dogs did not alert in any other accommodation than the mccanns.

No amount of playing with words will change that.

Likewise, living in a fantasy of abduction, doesn't help either.

Offline Benice

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #83 on: September 18, 2014, 04:31:57 PM »
Once again.

The dogs did not alert in any other accommodation than the mccanns.

No amount of playing with words will change that.

Likewise, living in a fantasy of abduction, doesn't help either.

Anyone who doesn't point the finger at the McCanns are' fantasists' in your world Stephen    I presume that includes the Portuguese police team - who are looking for an abductor and have ruled the McCanns out as suspects.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #84 on: September 18, 2014, 04:33:02 PM »
Once again.

The dogs did not alert in any other accommodation than the mccanns.

No amount of playing with words will change that.

Likewise, living in a fantasy of abduction, doesn't help either.

"The dogs did not alert in any other accommodation than the mccanns."

I wonder why, when Gerry's keys would have been in at least 2 other apartments.
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Offline Anna

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #85 on: September 18, 2014, 04:40:32 PM »
"The dogs did not alert in any other accommodation than the mccanns."

I wonder why, when Gerry's keys would have been in at least 2 other apartments.

It is a mystery that I have problems with too!
Someone must had bled in the others at some time...surely.
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ferryman

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Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #86 on: September 18, 2014, 04:45:27 PM »
It is a mystery that I have problems with too!
Someone must had bled in the others at some time...surely.

It's a clever point, but I think that particular key stayed permanently in the car.

It was an ignition key, not a car lock (I don't think).

Offline Benice

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #87 on: September 18, 2014, 04:53:26 PM »
It's a clever point, but I think that particular key stayed permanently in the car.

It was an ignition key, not a car lock (I don't think).

People don't normally leave the ignition key in their cars do they?   I never do.   An unlocked car with the ignition key left in it is surely an open invitation to having it stolen.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

ferryman

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Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #88 on: September 18, 2014, 04:56:13 PM »
People don't normally leave the ignition key in their cars do they?   I never do.   An unlocked car with the ignition key left in it is surely an open invitation to having it stolen.

You may well be right.

I'm not sure.

I thought that the ignition system and the lock were separate ...

Offline Anna

Re: What does Grime mean by "No evidential reliability"
« Reply #89 on: September 18, 2014, 05:00:13 PM »
You may well be right.

I'm not sure.

I thought that the ignition system and the lock were separate ...

I believe it was a keycard. but may be wrong
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